Poor because you are expecting something different.

It's poor because you are wanting something different to what they offering.

They could do better of course and that has always been the case.

lmao its poor cos its poor

it aint just me is it,or hazy,majority of this thread say it is. silly to say its cos you expect something different

your one of those weird kids who backs the machine no matter what. weird. prob hope you get to meet hollie in real life 1 day loool

good luck in your future endeavors don1

And your one who lives in the past.

Who is Hollie? As I said I don't watch Total Divas.

Not sure why in this Golden age of TV,Home Entertainment and the ability to watch what you want when you want you would spend time and effort watching and talking about a poor product that you don't enjoy

I am the absolute definition of a hardcore wrestling fan. I watched it as a kid. I watched it as a student, and didn't care if people took the piss. I watched WCW and ECW. I watched wrestling as a young adult. I watched and defended TNA. I eagerly subscribed to the WWE Network.

And now I don't even have a Network subscription. Because I honestly decided I'd rather spend £10 a month on Pokécoins than watch WWE.

By any yardstick that is a baaaad product WWE are putting out right now. Its blandness has completely destroyed my interest in what was a lifelong passion.

In North America and Western Europe, in terms of fan interest, the wrestling business is likely about where it was in 1995. The only difference is now Vince McMahon runs the only game in town. Therefore they've picked up the market their rivals left behind.

I do agree when you look at the big picture WWE is still solid at least. But I'm taking into account the network and its programmes collectively. From a business standpoint it seems the objective is to try to do what the likes of NASCAR have done - gather impressive sponsorship money from uninspiring viewing figures.

Raw will always be a lame duck while it both remains 180 minutes and is still a rehash of the the same old formula. I'm convinced it is too long for both newer viewers and long-term viewers. The test(s) in the future will be whether the likes of Reigns, Rollins, Ambrose etc can retain WrestleMania's momentum without the old crew and if WWE can prosper in China, India.

There are a lot of options in the years to come. They've already tested the waters of TV-MA programmes with that cartoon they did. Stephanie has been criticized for years for making promos so heavily scripted. However, treating the age old wrestling show as a weekly movie/television serial is one thing they've never fully committed to and they've now got over a decade's experience of in-house movie production. Heck, ideally the WWE and how they work with sponsors should ideally be BEYOND the parental guidance guidelines.

Please tell me they arent going to job Mickie out to Eva Marie.

John Cena will never be more famous than Hogan. Back in the 80/90/2000s people who never watched wrestling knew the Hogan name. I cant see Cena being in the same category no matter how many films he does.

People have always sniggered at Wrestling with a smirk on their face, some fans laugh it off but the serious ones I guess take offense to it. I did for years but it always seemed like you were talking to a brick wall. You would make valid points of realism and they just shit over the sport. I forget the amount of times non belivers reckon they have a tube taped on their face that splurts out tomato sauce.

While I can see people do different things for entertainment like getting drunk in pubs a decent saturday night for me was sitting back watching WWF Superstars of Wrestling then watching DSF for WCW Saturday Night!

Yet he did not get the outside work Cena is getting, That's because wrestling is not seen as the negative brand (i.e the A.E) or a "joke" (be it Rock and Wrestling time) it was in the past.

While he is not going to be more famous he will likely have a longer and better career from a outside the ring P.O.V due to the changes in the perception of the business.

Anyone with Hogan's and Austin's fame today should have been set for life yet the only one so far to real take long term advantage of that fame was The Rock, Cena might not reach the heights of that (its very difficult if not impossible no matter how hot wrestling gets again) but he has a much better chance

WWE is doing a press conference next Thursday at the London o2 with HHH, William Regal and Finn Balor there.

Word round the campfire is London may be getting a ppv next year.

Cena is getting more and more parts in films now rumours are he's in Thor 3 and more big budget film roles are coming up he's already signed up for some.

Austin never made it out of the Direct To DVD films.

This is one reason why Cena may be doing a Lesner and only having 3-4 matches year from now on.

You're talking about all of this as if it's fact. There's no fact to say wrestling was better in the 'Attitude Era' than what it is now or that the current product is generally poor. None what so ever. No number or margin can back it up because it's completely opinion based. It's the same when people claim music is all sh*t nowadays and was better in the 50's or 60's or 70's etc. It's the same as how great movies were back in the days. Football and sports? So much better in the olden days. The reality is, it's completely opinion based with nothing what so ever to solidify either side of the argument as fact. This argument has been had countless times over the changing decades, this exact stuff was being said about the Attitude Era back in the 90's by certain fans too.

You're throwing your dummy out of the pram because somebody has a different view to yours. At least argue your point in a decent way rather than calling people 'housewives' and other stupid immature sh*t, it's embarrassing mate and funnily enough something you tried to pull me up on when I dared to question the posting of the person you constantly defend.

Anyway, on the topic of the AE, funnily enough I just finished watching Rock Bottom from 1998, I'd forgotten how much of a stinker it was. Rock/Mankind were having a match that night. First the two are accidentally caught on camera together talking while The Rock looks on watching Debra stripping in the ring on a monitor. Later that night we see Vince exiting the boiler room after a great talk with Mankind to try to stop him challenging for the title against The Rock. He's all smiles after a great chat...quite strange considering as he exits the boiler room, the camera shows The Rock and Mankind in the background down the corridor having a laugh and joke together. Their actual match ends with Mankind winning...however, in true Attitude Era style, he doesn't win the title because The Rock never said 'I Quit'...yeah.Steve Blackman maybe had the best match on the card, just let that one sink in for a moment. And the cherry is placed firmly on top in the main event. You've got Kane randomly exploding out of a hole in the ground. Austin then returns with a huge digger truck, which incredibly the operator can't actually operate properly, leading to 3-4 minutes of sheer awkwardness of Michael Cole screaming how The Undertaker is being buried under tonnes of dirt...as the camera shows barely a few spade fulls of dirt on top of him. Eventually Austin realises this is all horrendous so just shovels some dirt over The Undertaker to end the match.

Can you imagine that happening today? You'd sh*t all over it. But because it was the Attitude Era you'd give it 5 stars and say how fu*king incredible the moment was.

Don't know if it's been mentioned but WWE is apparently returning to Channel 4 with a documentary on the women of WWE, thought to focus on the build to HIAC

I wouldnt say Austin's fame as much because I dont think hes been in too many movies. Sure he has a couple reality shows but I dont recall his media work being too large.

Personally I feel we should have had a Wrestlemania in London by now.

Not heard that alough I know Hollywood is doing a movie on Ric Flair.

Something that IMO more broadcasters might want to make or buy.

Even something like the shows they did showing behind the scenes on NXT could be shown if that one did well.

Not sure one about women being shown as a mistress or crawling on all fours and barking would be as interesting

More likely to be one of the other big PPV's

I don't see London putting in a good enough bid to get a Wrestlemania.

The problem with with Terry Bollea's Hulk Hogan is that it was too cartoonishly OTT in delivery to be ever taken seriously by the media. Even back in the 1980's. Therefore by the time WWF had passed its peak as the latest fad, it seems all he was offered was kids stuff such as Suburban Commando and Mr Nanny or Thunder in Paradise. It didn't help that two of those were critically panned.

And Austin's was too much the other way to some extent, Where as Cena and the current stars are much more in the middle which is something that is more likely to get them extra media work.

Yep, despite all the WWE logo t-shirts, short and caps, Cena does seem like a real person and has the benefit of using his actual name in both wrestling and in TV/Film. A natural fave for soccer mom's and middle class stereotypical jock, yet likeable enough for adults and kids.

Saying that, even he looked ridiculous if funny in Daddy's Home and Sisters. The likes of Sami Zayn, Dean Ambrose, Kevin Owens, Roman Reigns etc wouldn't look at all out of place in acting roles.

Speaking of mainstream movies etc, hasn't The Big Show done quite alright in that area, especially comedies, as he can be quite a funny guy for someone so large.

On the subject of Big Show,i watched Jingle All The Way earlier & he pops up in that dressed as a giant Santa.Of course this was back in his WCW days.

Congratulations to Bayley, courtesy of NoDQ

Details on Bayley becoming engaged http://nodq.com/wwe/483314246.shtml #WWE

It's also the wrong time of year for an outdoor event in London. Too cold and too much risk of rain. The only stadium with a roof that closes in the uk is the millennium stadium in Cardiff.