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Old Yesterday, 09:10
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I wonder who Asuka will eventually drop her title to, as there doesn't seem to be anyone there currently good enough, or worthy enough to beat her.
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Old Yesterday, 09:38
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Would you congratulate Jimmy Savile and his family for him avoiding standing trial for his alleged crimes because he was dead?
As far as Jimmy Saville goes I did see that as wrong bringing up his name after his died. Whether allegations took place or didnt they should let the guy rest in piece.
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Old Yesterday, 09:39
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wouldn't mind Miz being traded to RAW & have him & Rusev have a feud over the U.S Title
Don't you actually have to hold the US Title before you can feud with someone over it?
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Old Yesterday, 09:41
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Miz is being booked incredibly well on Smackdown and he's in the form of his career so I think they should leave him where he is.
He's the only guy on the Smackdown roster I dispise. Besides which this feud with Bryan is going nowhere if Bryan can't wrestle. Id rather have Sami on Smackdown.
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Old Yesterday, 09:44
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You genuinely don't get that there is a difference between in ring personalities and what are essentially the actors playing them, do you?
You tell that to those fans back in 2007 when they were very critical of other fans enjoying Chris Benoit's work IN THE RING.

They never said anything about outside the ring but his in ring work but no bunch of internet fans just bashed those fans because they enjoyed watching Benoit's old matches.

Besides which just because you heard rumours of some murder that happenned years ago doesnt mean you have to believe it. Anything could have happened. You dont know the facts, you wasent there, you just going on what the media is reporting, whether true or not you buy into it, well I don't!

If it had been true he would have served his time by now.
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Old Yesterday, 10:17
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You tell that to those fans back in 2007 when they were very critical of other fans enjoying Chris Benoit's work IN THE RING.

They never said anything about outside the ring but his in ring work but no bunch of internet fans just bashed those fans because they enjoyed watching Benoit's old matches.

Besides which just because you heard rumours of some murder that happenned years ago doesnt mean you have to believe it. Anything could have happened. You dont know the facts, you wasent there, you just going on what the media is reporting, whether true or not you buy into it, well I don't!

If it had been true he would have served his time by now.
What are you talking about?

Part of the issue in this current case was some failing's of the original investigation.

Why don't you "buy it"?, What actual intelligent logical facts are the reasons for you not "buying" it.
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Old Yesterday, 10:42
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As far as Jimmy Saville goes I did see that as wrong bringing up his name after his died. Whether allegations took place or didnt they should let the guy rest in piece.
So there should have been no investigations into what had taken place so procedures can be put in place to ensure it never happened again?

What about the "peace" of the victims?

"rest in peace"? Is this a Undertaker promo?

What you say makes zero sense

Just no logic behind any of it
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Old Yesterday, 11:21
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As far as Jimmy Saville goes I did see that as wrong bringing up his name after his died. Whether allegations took place or didnt they should let the guy rest in piece.
On that basis Benoit should never known for murdering his wife and kid. After all it didn't come to light til after his death.

After 50 years of abusing children I don't think he deserved to rest in peace. Plus without investigating into his past through operation youtree it would be unlikely the likes of rolf Harris max Clifford etc would have been prosecuted
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Old Yesterday, 12:20
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You genuinely don't get that there is a difference between in ring personalities and what are essentially the actors playing them, do you?
Charlotte Flair and Rusev are terrible people who are bad at their job because they're baddies on TV but Jimmy Snuka jumped off the cage that time so he can murder whoever he likes.
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Old Yesterday, 12:28
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The potential rewards of bringing back Kurt Angle are nowhere near as big as the risks. The time has passed.
If they bringing him back as a in-ring worker then yep the time has prob past but they could use him in other ways, Foley is prob going to leave sooner or later to get his surgery so he could take his role, he could work on The Network and even as a manager to someone like American Alpha's etc.
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Old Yesterday, 12:46
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Another Team Angle with American Alpha and Angle putting someone in an ankle lock at Mania for a pop, great. Not sure I want to see him wrestling any more
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Old Yesterday, 12:48
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If they bringing him back as a in-ring worker then yep the time has prob past but they could use him in other ways, Foley is prob going to leave sooner or later to get his surgery so he could take his role, he could work on The Network and even as a manager to someone like American Alpha's etc.
He can still go. Maybe not in a full time wwe capacity but part time would be great. Who wouldn't love to see him at mania or sumerslam or survivor series in a big stage feud in the next couple of years vs the likes of Rollins, Owens, zayn, Joe, styles, lesnar roode, balor nakamura etc
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Old Yesterday, 12:58
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He can still go. Maybe not in a full time wwe capacity but part time would be great. Who wouldn't love to see him at mania or sumerslam or survivor series in a big stage feud in the next couple of years vs the likes of Rollins, Owens, zayn, Joe, styles, lesnar roode, balor nakamura etc
It's not about what people would love to see or if he can go or not, it's about balancing risk and reward. The guy has had his issues in the past both physically and mentally, are those issues more likely to return if he returns as a in ring performer or in another role?

With his history the fact he can still perform is not necessarily a good enough reason to let him do so
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Old Yesterday, 13:26
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I wonder who Asuka will eventually drop her title to, as there doesn't seem to be anyone there currently good enough, or worthy enough to beat her.
I think Nikki Cross could be a believeable challenger - particularly if they play up her vicious style. Plus, she's got a faction behind her too which could set up intergender tag matches et al.
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Old Yesterday, 14:34
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As expected Wrestle Kingdom 11 was ridiculously good. Meltzer claimed it may be the greatest match in wrestling history (Meltzer, go figure), personally I preferred Naito/Tanahashi but both were outstanding.

Would recommend to anybody here that hasn't watched the top half of the card.
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Old Yesterday, 14:43
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If they bringing him back as a in-ring worker then yep the time has prob past but they could use him in other ways, Foley is prob going to leave sooner or later to get his surgery so he could take his role, he could work on The Network and even as a manager to someone like American Alpha's etc.
I think the best bet is for him to either do the Foley role or just take a Hall of Fame entry and appear now and then.

Obviously if he were healthy it would be a different story but I don't think he's really all that in the ring any more to make him worth the risk anyway.

As expected Wrestle Kingdom 11 was ridiculously good. Meltzer claimed it may be the greatest match in wrestling history (Meltzer, go figure), personally I preferred Naito/Tanahashi but both were outstanding.

Would recommend to anybody here that hasn't watched the top half of the card.
Caught the top two matches. Naito vs Tanahashi was my favourite of the two. They really played their characters well and brought good aggression. I think the main event is totally being overrated though. I just thought it was too OTT. It should have been 15 minutes shorter and cut down on the no-selling, but I'm not a huge fan of that sort of wrestling. Same with that Cena vs Styles Summerslam match. The last 10 minutes were a really good version of that New Japan style finishing sequence though. Not surprised at Meltzer giving this 6 stars but I honestly think he's trolling at this point.

What other matches are worth catching? I heard the Junior title match was good.
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Old Yesterday, 15:05
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I think the best bet is for him to either do the Foley role or just take a Hall of Fame entry and appear now and then.

Obviously if he were healthy it would be a different story but I don't think he's really all that in the ring any more to make him worth the risk anyway.



Caught the top two matches. Naito vs Tanahashi was my favourite of the two. They really played their characters well and brought good aggression. I think the main event is totally being overrated though. I just thought it was too OTT. It should have been 15 minutes shorter and cut down on the no-selling, but I'm not a huge fan of that sort of wrestling. Same with that Cena vs Styles Summerslam match. The last 10 minutes were a really good version of that New Japan style finishing sequence though. Not surprised at Meltzer giving this 6 stars but I honestly think he's trolling at this point.

What other matches are worth catching? I heard the Junior title match was good.
I can see both sides of the argument on Okada/Omega. Some calling it the greatest match ever, some feeling it was way over the top and not as great as others make out. Personally I'm somewhere in the middle. A brilliant match that I wouldn't disagree could have possibly gone 10 or so minutes shorter (this has been said about Okada in the past though). Certainly not the greatest match ever, like I said, behind Naito/Tanahashi for me on the night which was absolutely incredible from start to finish, atmosphere was brilliant.

Check out all top four matches. Shibata is one of my absolute favourites, I think the match with Goto might fly under the radar slightly but it was great IMO. Takahashi/KUSHIDA right before that is also well worth a watch, another great match. Most of the rest was pretty good, entire show is well worth watching through if you have time while I'd highly recommend all the top four matches, none of them fell short of great IMO.
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Old Yesterday, 15:36
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Mark Andrews of Total Non Stop Action Wrestling, erm Cardiff, Wales added to the WWE UK tournament. Guess someone forgot to pay him.
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Old Yesterday, 15:54
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I think that Bryan having to retire is maybe one of the worst things to happen to the company in years. The Shield were going along so well and if they had Bryan still healthy, he could have been the top man for another 3-4 years while they had time to develop instead of being thrust to the top too quickly. Bryan was legit the most over guy since Steve Austin and had every chance of becoming a mainstream star. But as we have seen, WWE in their myopia had no intention of exploiting this and turning the guy into a money draw. Now they don't have him any more and they're desperately spinning to make it look like the whole Mania 30 thing was intentional all along.

I think Reigns is a great wrestler but he's miscast. To me he was at his best when he was doing the arrogant tweener bit after Mania til around July. They dropped it after he got suspended, which really was monumentally stupid. I thought he was so good in that role and the idea of an alternate universe where he was pushed in that direction facing off against People's Champion Daniel Bryan for the title is incredible.

The one thing I don't agree with quite so much is that AJ Styles is not being used well out of arrogance. The guy is the champion and cornerstone of the best show on WWE TV and has been given the opportunity to knock it out of the park as a heel. I honestly think it's his best role and it makes sense for him to stay as a heel because it was clear that he would be facing Cena again sooner rather than later. Cena is someone who I've really grown to appreciate more and more in the last couple of years, even though I don't like the turn his in-ring work has taken since the Kevin Owens feud. His promos the last few weeks show how good he could have been if he was allowed to have the edge that many had been crying out for him to show. The man is a legend.

Not sure if you heard this but Ryback (I think) stated recently that HHH told him that WWE doesn't want to have another Cena figure after he retires. This shows the myopia of the 'all about the brand' focus. Wrestling has always been based on larger than life stars to draw money. Without that it's just a slow and steady decline. If they aren't going to push anyone again, Vince should be looking to clone Big Match John.
I couldn't agree more with all of this. And you're right about Styles. My original post was clumsily worded - I didn't mean to say having him heel right now showed arrogance from WWE. I just doubted they'd have the humility to turn him face down the line. But maybe I'm wrong about that. After all, I was surprised they had the humility to use his TNA look, logo and character unchanged. And look how well it's worked out for them (and him).

Cena has always been great and massively underappreciated by the IWC. Reigns is indeed a great worker who just suffers from the company wanting him to be something he's not - a pure face.
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Old Yesterday, 16:07
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It's not about what people would love to see or if he can go or not, it's about balancing risk and reward. The guy has had his issues in the past both physically and mentally, are those issues more likely to return if he returns as a in ring performer or in another role?

With his history the fact he can still perform is not necessarily a good enough reason to let him do so
He'd have to pass a physical first obviously. If he can pass that and is clean I see no issue on him being an inring performer. It would only be a part time role. Only about 4-6 matches a year. If you include buildup you are looking at 15-16 appearances a year in total. It wouldn't be like 2005-06 kurt where he was wrestling 250 plus appearances a year.
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Old Yesterday, 16:10
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He'd have to pass a physical first obviously. If he can pass that and is clean I see no issue on him being an inring performer. It would only be a part time role. Only about 4-6 matches a year. If you include buildup you are looking at 15-16 appearances a year in total. It wouldn't be like 2005-06 kurt where he was wrestling 250 plus appearances a year.
Its not about his condition now, Its about his past, He suffers a major injury and the media will bring up all his former major injuries, He relapses and the media will bring up his former issues. Its just not worth the bad press.
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Old Yesterday, 16:58
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As far as Jimmy Saville goes I did see that as wrong bringing up his name after his died. Whether allegations took place or didnt they should let the guy rest in piece.
So all those rape victims should just shut up and not talk about it.

He's the only guy on the Smackdown roster I dispise. Besides which this feud with Bryan is going nowhere if Bryan can't wrestle. Id rather have Sami on Smackdown.
You mean you despise the one guy who can get the most heel heat on the roster. Never change Dave.
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Old Yesterday, 17:05
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He'd have to pass a physical first obviously. If he can pass that and is clean I see no issue on him being an inring performer. It would only be a part time role. Only about 4-6 matches a year. If you include buildup you are looking at 15-16 appearances a year in total. It wouldn't be like 2005-06 kurt where he was wrestling 250 plus appearances a year.
Jeff Hardy and Kurt are two people I feel confident WWE will never hire, despite the fact they would instantly freshen up the product and make everyone a ton of money. WWE now value their corporate brand above all else and they feel, rightly or wrongly, those guys would be a risk to it.

Which for me is just another example of how business and brand are valued above entertainment in current WWE, which is why sadly I've taken an extended break from it.

This thread is still great though! And I'm going to watch the Rumble. If they've managed to make the Rumble non-entertaining we'll really know it's time to give up
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Old Yesterday, 17:19
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Jeff Hardy and Kurt are two people I feel confident WWE will never hire, despite the fact they would instantly freshen up the product and make everyone a ton of money. WWE now value their corporate brand above all else and they feel, rightly or wrongly, those guys would be a risk to it.

Which for me is just another example of how business and brand are valued above entertainment in current WWE, which is why sadly I've taken an extended break from it.

This thread is still great though! And I'm going to watch the Rumble. If they've managed to make the Rumble non-entertaining we'll really know it's time to give up
To me, Angle isn't worth the risk for what he can bring in the ring any more. Hardy maybe is a different story but I don't know.

The Rumble actually looks like it could be decent this year though. Cena vs Styles will be good and the Rumble has a good few potential winners. Goldberg and Lesnar will be in there to shoot an angle, Undertaker will probably show up, as will HHH and they may actually make a new star out of Strowman.

Just get the title off Kevin Owens please.
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Old Yesterday, 19:04
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Charlotte Flair and Rusev are terrible people who are bad at their job because they're baddies on TV but Jimmy Snuka jumped off the cage that time so he can murder whoever he likes.
This is maybe the funniest post I've ever seen in the WWE thread - well done, sir

For all the talk about Angle being unable to pass a medical there's very little evidence to back it up. There is always a false narrative about Angle being let go from WWE because he wasn't fit enough to wrestle any more - the truth is that Angle walked away from WWE because he asked for time off to heal and wasn't given any (CM Punk anyone?) TNA were more than willing to give him time off when he needed it.
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