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Unread 07-01-2017, 17:36
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I feel like you're right but I'm not sure if there's more money in a one time big money retirement match or bringing him back every now and then for a feud.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 18:12
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No he shouldn't. Austin went out on his back, Flair went out on his back, Shawn went out on his back, Rock's last match so far was a clean job and I'm willing to bet that Cena will go out doing the job too.

I don't think the Undertaker is such a mark that it'll really eat him up that he didn't win his last fake wrestling match. They can still give him a nice retirement and keep things ticking by putting someone over him on the way out.

EDIT: Plus if he goes out at the 'rightful' champion then you'll always get people clamouring for him to come back for another match.
Flair never even won the World title when he went back not even once which is suprising when he was buddies with Hunter. Even in 2003 I expected him to take it in that match with Hunter.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 18:14
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I think Vince will let him do whatever he wants to do.

He will be his Dad's version of Andre and will be free to chose what he wants.

I don't think that he will make any demands (titles etc) that he thinks is not right for the business as it is at the time
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Unread 07-01-2017, 18:48
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I do think that losing would be the way to go for Taker (and anyone else for that matter, no matter who they are). He knows it's tradition. A loss would create a sad atmosphere and makes the retirement moment a lot more meaningful (just like HBK and Flair). Plus, it'd be weird if Taker won. I guess they'd spin it by saying that Taker retired while he was at the top of his game.

They should get Taker to put his career on the line because either:
1) Cena goads him into it by claiming Taker's too old and that part timers should stop stealing the spotlight.
2) Taker puts his career on the line for the title. Seems a bit strange for Taker to do that. Then again, faces are silly and it does make Taker look confident.

Maybe a combination of the two (except option 1 would mean Cena is a heel).

Putting my mark hat on, I'd love to see Taker win the 'Title vs Career' match and retire straight after because he thinks that he can't carry on. A bit like the ending of his WM27 match when he's not able to walk away.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 18:59
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Taker is on Raw this week so if he announces that he wants another title run because he doesn't have many chances left, then they just need to have him lose at the very end and play it up as a heartbreaking moment. Then he offers to put his career on the line in a last desperate move for a title shot. I think that handles the motivation aspect.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 19:13
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I do think that losing would be the way to go for Taker (and anyone else for that matter, no matter who they are). He knows it's tradition. A loss would create a sad atmosphere and makes the retirement moment a lot more meaningful (just like HBK and Flair). Plus, it'd be weird if Taker won. I guess they'd spin it by saying that Taker retired while he was at the top of his game.

They should get Taker to put his career on the line because either:
1) Cena goads him into it by claiming Taker's too old and that part timers should stop stealing the spotlight.
2) Taker puts his career on the line for the title. Seems a bit strange for Taker to do that. Then again, faces are silly and it does make Taker look confident.

Maybe a combination of the two (except option 1 would mean Cena is a heel).

Putting my mark hat on, I'd love to see Taker win the 'Title vs Career' match and retire straight after because he thinks that he can't carry on. A bit like the ending of his WM27 match when he's not able to walk away.
Didn't Taker say WrestleMania would no longer define who he is which would happen if he's forced to retire at WrestleMania 33.

In my opinion (as a Taker fan) I'd much prefer Taker retiring at Survivor Series it's where he started in WWE it should be where he finishes his career.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 19:15
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Didn't Taker say WrestleMania would no longer define who he is which would happen if he's forced to retire at WrestleMania 33.

In my opinion (as a Taker fan) I'd much prefer Taker retiring at Survivor Series it's where he started in WWE it should be where he finishes his career.
I agree that would also help with Brock been the only person to ever beat him at WM.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 19:37
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Survivor Series really doesn't mean anything like as much though
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Unread 07-01-2017, 19:49
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Survivor Series really doesn't mean anything like as much though
It's still associated with Taker though just like WrestleMania is as they even celebrated his 25th anniversary in 2015 at that Survivor Series.

If not let him retire after a loss at SummerSlam instead and let his only defeat at WrestleMania be to Brock or he could even (which is least likely) retire as Champion like Trish did.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 20:06
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I think the sadness due to a second loss at WM would only help the moment. Taker deserves to go out with the biggest bang possible: At the main event of WM (though they may not have it as the final match).
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Unread 07-01-2017, 23:49
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No he shouldn't. Austin went out on his back, Flair went out on his back, Shawn went out on his back, Rock's last match so far was a clean job and I'm willing to bet that Cena will go out doing the job too.

I don't think the Undertaker is such a mark that it'll really eat him up that he didn't win his last fake wrestling match. They can still give him a nice retirement and keep things ticking by putting someone over him on the way out.

EDIT: Plus if he goes out at the 'rightful' champion then you'll always get people clamouring for him to come back for another match.
The Rocks last match was a 6 second victory over Erick Rowan.
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I rather Taker not lose another match at Mania.

Survivor Series is where it started, Survivor Series is where it should end (in a wrestling capacity)
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Just out of interest, something I have wondered for a while, what has happened to the role of manager?

You used to have have the old wrestler who could no longer wrestler, be a manager to a younger talent, take for example Harley Race and Vader.
I would quite like to see managers be brought back into vogue so to speak, I think it is becoming a sort of lost art form.
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Just out of interest, something I have wondered for a while, what has happened to the role of manager?

You used to have have the old wrestler who could no longer wrestler, be a manager to a younger talent, take for example Harley Race and Vader.
I would quite like to see managers be brought back into vogue so to speak, I think it is becoming a sort of lost art form.
I would like to see more managers, although the need to be the right character. I think they've slowly disappeared as wrestlers these days are more competent actors whereas in the past they had little mic and talking skills so a manager was used for this.
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I would like to see more managers, although the need to be the right character. I think they've slowly disappeared as wrestlers these days are more competent actors whereas in the past they had little mic and talking skills so a manager was used for this.
Managers were kinda replaced by heel authority figures in a way. Instead of Bobby Heenan having a stable of bad guys for Hogan to work through, instead a load of the heels aligned themselves around Vince to take on Steven Austin. And then we've seen that model play out over and over again.

But it's probably just as much to do with Vince's ridiculous notion that what he's doing is so distinct from his father and thus wanting to remove lots of the old vestiges of 'rasslin'
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Anyone know if they have sold out the arena for the Royal Rumble? Don't they have 50,000 plus seats to fill?

Got this picture from the last time it was held at the same arena, it looks huge!

http://cdn-maf2.heartyhosting.com/si...?itok=__8G3a6z
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Unread Yesterday, 14:29
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Was that the 1997 show with Shawn vs Sid? I think that show was heavily papered to fill out the seats. Not sure what the case is this time. I think that's why they're having Taker on Raw to announce his participation rather than leaving it as a surprise. Goldberg, Lesnar and Taker in the Rumble match and Cena fighting for the title is a pretty strong line-up for WWE these days.
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Cornette on RR 1997

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Just out of interest, something I have wondered for a while, what has happened to the role of manager?

You used to have have the old wrestler who could no longer wrestler, be a manager to a younger talent, take for example Harley Race and Vader.
I would quite like to see managers be brought back into vogue so to speak, I think it is becoming a sort of lost art form.
The manager role is very, very old hat.

It is from an era when talents, particularly heels, were expected to be seen but not heard.

That's why the last great manager was Paul Bearer, although Heyman with Lesnar works well also for largely the same reasons.

Aside from the manager as a voice box for otherwise mute but impressive wrestlers, it's best consigned to the scrap heap where it belongs.
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Unread Yesterday, 15:56
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I really don't see why it belongs on the scrap heap. For a guy who can't cut a great promo, a manager is so important to getting them over. There's also somewhat of a lost art of managers getting heat during a match and lifting the crowd. Lana and Maryse have been pretty good in that sort of manager/valet role. I think it's something that can be retooled for the modern era too. There's no reason that a sleazy sports agent type character wouldn't make an effective manager in the modern era, trying to get big money and title matches for their clients by playing between the two general managers etc.
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I really don't see why it belongs on the scrap heap. For a guy who can't cut a great promo, a manager is so important to getting them over. There's also somewhat of a lost art of managers getting heat during a match and lifting the crowd. Lana and Maryse have been pretty good in that sort of manager/valet role. I think it's something that can be retooled for the modern era too. There's no reason that a sleazy sports agent type character wouldn't make an effective manager in the modern era, trying to get big money and title matches for their clients by playing between the two general managers etc.
I agree, managers can be such an effective way of getting a talent over and there's so many different characters/storylines you can do with a manager. Guys who are athletic but don't have much of a personality, like Apollo Crewes, would benefit so much if they had a manager. I'm guessing that Big Case would need some help when/if he and Enzo break up.
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Just wanted to leave this here. You may remember the little boy from a Stardust segment where he signed a contract as 'Drax Shadow'.

https://www.gofundme.com/drax-shadow...ijah-mainville
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Just wanted to leave this here. You may remember the little boy from a Stardust segment where he signed a contract as 'Drax Shadow'.

https://www.gofundme.com/drax-shadow...ijah-mainville
I don't want this flippant in any way, but I hope water can be put under the bridge for there to be our Warrior award.
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Unread Today, 14:12
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So Raw tonight features Reigns facing Jericho and Owens in a triple threat. Don't know about anybody else, but a few weeks before the paywall show and I'm already sick of the top 4 guys on the Raw brand facing off again and again.

Surely they could give decent pushes to the likes of: R Truth (fun as a heel), Goldust (one of the most underated of all time), Bo Dallas (watchable in NXT), Titus O Neil (charismatic if nothing else), Curtis Axel (good in ring wrestler/at comedy). Plus Mark Henry is still employed.

Even if they see those as TV bit players and guys who make up the numbers at houseshows, they could still take the weight off the real main event scene. For example, Heyman managed to take a bunch of garbage wrestlers and make them mean something. That happened and still does in other companies. Vince himself use to get mileage out of his roster.
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