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There's a difference between Brock Lesnar already admitting to going to WWE because he couldn't see a future at UFC. If he ends up going to UFC 200 and WINNING, you cannot seriously tell me it's not gonna cross his mind to keep going? The PPV buys alone will be through the roof. That's like Shawn Michaels coming back to wrestling in 2002 for one match and then ends up wrestling pretty much every week, Shawn musta bee thinking too this is great, my back's holding up well here lol.
If anyone thinks Brock Lesnar is winning and then staying with WWE after this then they're out of their mind. If it's like before and he doesn't think he can keep up with the younger guys in MMA then yes, WWE's millions for very little work is worth it but clearly something has changed since last year and if the chance is there for him to return to what he loves then I think he will take it. Money doesn't come into it with Lesnar, he will make millions at both companies so if he's making millions in either place what is he gonna do, perform in a real sport where people will really respect him and he will be treated like a real sporting champion or stay in WWE and let Paul Heyman read the same script over and over while he stands there unable to do anything, just standing there like a big dummy doing nothing. I know what he will choose. |
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He had a chance to continue a UFC career 12 months ago when he signed a 3 year deal with WWE. So maybe somebody should ask why he chose WWE
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There's a difference between wrestling and MMA, one is real one is not. For many athletes out there they do what they do because they love it, not for the money. With Brock Lesnar it doesn't matter which one he goes with, he will make millions either way. Brock didn't join WWE again at the height of his MMA career, he joined after recovering from a serious health scare and rightly didn't wanna get back into MMA for health reasons.
But like Shawn Michaels and his supposed back injury, time can be a great healer and if he feels like he can still go at a high level at this UFC and WINS his fight, the thought has to cross his mind about doing it more often and if it happened once it might happen again, then he might win again, then he thinks well i might aswell keep going and going. Money doesn't come into it. Or to keep it in wrestling terms, it's like Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair going to TNA. Why did they go there really? To be on TV. To wrestle. The money was good yes but the money was always gonna be good. When you're at the level of those two and likewise Brock Lesnar....of course the money is gonna be good so since the money is good anyway, why are you really doing it? For the love of doing it. Look at Ric Flair on TV now, do you think if Vince gave him a choice to wrestle or manage he would be managing? Of course he wouldn't. He would be wrestling, why? The money? Nope. The money is already good, why? Cause that's what he loves doing. If any questions should be asked it should be after UFC 200 and if Lesnar wins, surely any legitimate sports reporter would be asking him why he's going back to wrestling and not continuing with UFC? And only he can answer that. |
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That looks really cool, another amazing job!
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The most exciting thing to happen in the WWE in ages is one of their wrestlers fighting on another companies PPV. That is the main concern for me if I am Vince today.
Maybe try make Raw more exciting again |
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Saw this on Twitter. Vince's plan for the finish of the infamous Inoki vs Ali match. It's amazing.
https://twitter.com/lawradio/status/739499654660792321 |
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Saw this on Twitter. Vince's plan for the finish of the infamous Inoki vs Ali match. It's amazing.
https://twitter.com/lawradio/status/739499654660792321 |
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The most exciting thing to happen in the WWE in ages is one of their wrestlers fighting on another companies PPV. That is the main concern for me if I am Vince today.
Maybe try make Raw more exciting again The best bet we have of WWE becoming interesting again is the upcoming brand split. I hate to be optimistic because WWE often lets me down, but there is a real opportunity here to make the talent matter, bring some new life into the product and just make things interesting again. |
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I blame the lack of competition. It's made WWE complacent. They don't try out new things, mix up the formula or take a risk because they don't need to. They know they have the monopoly and, as much as people complain about the product, they still watch the show, buy the merchandise and attend the events (the majority of them, anyway).
The best bet we have of WWE becoming interesting again is the upcoming brand split. I hate to be optimistic because WWE often lets me down, but there is a real opportunity here to make the talent matter, bring some new life into the product and just make things interesting again. Like you say though, people will go and buy all things WWE no matter what. Look at WM this year, 100,000 went despite Raw sucking for months before. |
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Agree about the brand spilt and I really hope it changes everything but I just can't see much changing as end of the day it is the very same creative team working on both shows. Also the opening promo on Raw last week which was trying to big up the brand spilt was so so bad.
Like you say though, people will go and buy all things WWE no matter what. Look at WM this year, 100,000 went despite Raw sucking for months before. It's actually quite disgusting how WWE can get away with being so bad yet they still earn a profit. Fair enough, Vince has worked hard to build the reputation but it's very sad at how bulletproof they've become. Aside from a major disaster, can't see things going too badly for WWE any time soon. As weird as it might sound, I wish WWE would actually suffer from putting out such a weak, repetitive and bland product. After all, it's us that pay for it and the product is no where as good as it could be. In an ideal world, if they carried on like this, they'd be taken to court and have their name changed from WWE. They have no right to call themselves entertaining. The product really annoys me, but I feel especially sorry for those who sit through three hours of Raw live every week. |
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Agree about the brand spilt and I really hope it changes everything but I just can't see much changing as end of the day it is the very same creative team working on both shows. Also the opening promo on Raw last week which was trying to big up the brand spilt was so so bad.
Like you say though, people will go and buy all things WWE no matter what. Look at WM this year, 100,000 went despite Raw sucking for months before. Separate wrestlers, creative and production teams. Vince running raw and shane/hhh smackdown. Not the same as outside competition, but never underestimate ego, bragging rights and personal pride. |
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Well I wasn't expecting that. Not something I thought would happen and there isn't a chance Vince isn't getting something back. Very imteresting
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Even Batista has a better MMA record than Punk.
And yet again a part-timer comes into a company and takes main slots away from veterans like Punk. ![]() Pipebomb time. In all seriousness, good luck to Lesnar. While he hasn't done UFC in a while he should still be good hopefully and even if not WWE will still have him back with open arms. He's not really got anything to lose. Now watch him win at UFC then get pinned by Reigns at Summerslam |
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As a boxing fan, I have to say that whole match was one of the most embarrassing things ever to happen to Ali. One of those events you wish never happened and pretend never did.
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Enzo Amore was in the studio this past week, apparently working on new music. He posted the following: So obviously they are splitting them up for the brand then.
https://scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram...MTAzNg%3D%3D.2 |
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This is a really good article on the decline of NXT
http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/201...he-end-column/ When you've got guys like Joe, Nakamura and Aries to work with, there is bound to be fatigue from both the creative team and the audience due to being overwrought with dream match scenarios. That is why it might be best for the company to harvest the momentum of NXT at this stage, call up 80% of the current television roster and rebrand as NXT: SmackDown. Heck, they could even organically turn the title into the NXT World Championship, rather than create a new world championship. What happens to NXT? There is an argument it shouldn't be this polished and the likes of Hugh Knox and King Constantine should be getting some valuable experience in front of the cameras. Even if that means some screw up's. Afterall, lot's of guys worked the wrong gimmick or mediocre matches before they hit their stride. |
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It will only work with true competition.
Separate wrestlers, creative and production teams. Vince running raw and shane/hhh smackdown. Not the same as outside competition, but never underestimate ego, bragging rights and personal pride. If I remember correctly, Raw used to be more promo-based whereas SD was more match-based. I found that that formula worked well. Those who wanted to watch the promos had Raw and those who were interested in seeing matches had SD. I definitely preferred SD. |
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So obviously they are splitting them up for the brand then.
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Jesus I hope not its way too soon to split up Cass has potential due to his size but he is pretty green on the mic compared to Enzo Cass needs Enzo more than Enzo needs Cass.
I think enzo needs cass just as much though. He isn't good enough as a pure wrestler and could end up as manager/comedy wrestler. Together they cover each others weaknesses. |
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I agree. If they have the same creative team, then they completely avoid the benefit of the brand split. WWE desperately need to distinguish between the two brands.
If I remember correctly, Raw used to be more promo-based whereas SD was more match-based. I found that that formula worked well. Those who wanted to watch the promos had Raw and those who were interested in seeing matches had SD. I definitely preferred SD. ![]() I always preferred Smackdown - always felt it was the better brand for seeing emerging talent move up the card whereas on Raw talent was often just fed to the big names and left to rot. Plus I loved some of thd gimmicks SD used to have - Deuce n Domino, Boogeyman, King Booker, Simon Dean, Sylvan Ambassador of Quebec. Just always found it more fun than Raw |
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And those who were interested in tag matches loved SD.
![]() I always preferred Smackdown - always felt it was the better brand for seeing emerging talent move up the card whereas on Raw talent was often just fed to the big names and left to rot. Plus I loved some of thd gimmicks SD used to have - Deuce n Domino, Boogeyman, King Booker, Simon Dean, Sylvan Ambassador of Quebec. Just always found it more fun than Raw ![]() I agree, seeing the younger/newer talent establish themselves on the blue brand made me feel really happy and proud of them when they made themselves relevant. SD was always more interesting with its characters. Raw felt so forced and try-hard comedy rejects. Santino and Cryme Tyme come to mind. SD had its fair share of comedy characters too, but they had other dimensions in their characters and didn't just rely on comedy. |
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Wouldn't it be awesome if Brock went on to win the UFC Heavyweight Championship again and then 2 nights later walked out at Raw with the belt on. He could then go on to win the WWE World Title.
Of course this would all still happen before Punk has 1 fight
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Wouldn't it be awesome if Brock went on to win the UFC Heavyweight Championship again and then 2 nights later walked out at Raw with the belt on. He could then go on to win the WWE World Title.
Of course this would all still happen before Punk has 1 fight ![]() .
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That looks really cool, another amazing job!
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Thank you. I'm glad you like it.
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