But at the same time, he had this opportunity just a year ago and chose the one he doesn't enjoy as much. I can see both WWE and UFC wanting to continue this. If they can work out an official deal, which allows Brock his freedom to appear in UFC when WWE don't require him (UFC 205 as noted above), and he gets to keep the big WWE paycheck which he re-signed for in the first place, im sure he'd be happy with that.
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Very true. Who knows what Lesnar will do next, like he said after the fight last night regarding this issue "Brock Lesnar does what ever Brock Lesnar wants to do".
UFC 205 will be a given for Lesnar to be at, with it being in NYC, this falls in between Hell in a Cell and Survivor Series. So if he was at UFC 205 he would miss both of those due to a training camp and then SS being only a week after the 205 event.
I think we all know who is winning at SummerSlam though lol
UFC 205 will be a given for Lesnar to be at, with it being in NYC, this falls in between Hell in a Cell and Survivor Series. So if he was at UFC 205 he would miss both of those due to a training camp and then SS being only a week after the 205 event.
I think we all know who is winning at SummerSlam though lol
It doesn't matter if Lesnar won last night or not infact it doesn't even matter if he is an MMA fighter or not.
If you have a guy with the build and look of Brock Lesnar in your wrestling company, for the sake of credibility NOBODY should be pinning him and no one sitting in the arena or at home is gonna believe ANYBODY could pin a man his size to the mat. It just takes any believability right out of it. Orton wont win nor should he ever win against him because it's just not believable.
If you have a guy with the build and look of Brock Lesnar in your wrestling company, for the sake of credibility NOBODY should be pinning him and no one sitting in the arena or at home is gonna believe ANYBODY could pin a man his size to the mat. It just takes any believability right out of it. Orton wont win nor should he ever win against him because it's just not believable.
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“But at the same time, he had this opportunity just a year ago and chose the one he doesn't enjoy as much. I can see both WWE and UFC wanting to continue this. If they can work out an official deal, which allows Brock his freedom to appear in UFC when WWE don't require him (UFC 205 as noted above), and he gets to keep the big WWE paycheck which he re-signed for in the first place, im sure he'd be happy with that.”
“But at the same time, he had this opportunity just a year ago and chose the one he doesn't enjoy as much. I can see both WWE and UFC wanting to continue this. If they can work out an official deal, which allows Brock his freedom to appear in UFC when WWE don't require him (UFC 205 as noted above), and he gets to keep the big WWE paycheck which he re-signed for in the first place, im sure he'd be happy with that.”
Originally Posted by stu64:
“Very true. Who knows what Lesnar will do next, like he said after the fight last night regarding this issue "Brock Lesnar does what ever Brock Lesnar wants to do".
UFC 205 will be a given for Lesnar to be at, with it being in NYC, this falls in between Hell in a Cell and Survivor Series. So if he was at UFC 205 he would miss both of those due to a training camp and then SS being only a week after the 205 event.
I think we all know who is winning at SummerSlam though lol”
“Very true. Who knows what Lesnar will do next, like he said after the fight last night regarding this issue "Brock Lesnar does what ever Brock Lesnar wants to do".
UFC 205 will be a given for Lesnar to be at, with it being in NYC, this falls in between Hell in a Cell and Survivor Series. So if he was at UFC 205 he would miss both of those due to a training camp and then SS being only a week after the 205 event.
I think we all know who is winning at SummerSlam though lol”
I think Lesnar will keep doing both for a while.
Let's say he does UFC 205 (which he will) and wins again. Lesnar will certainly be on course for the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
And he is receiving a huge paycheck from WWE which of course you aren't going to turn down ,
WWE may not have him for October/November, but they will more likely want him for Royal Rumble/ Wrestlemania anyway.
Either way Lesnar is looking awesome at the moment.
Originally Posted by stu64:
“Be no chance in hell that UFC would use his WWE music or allow Heyman to introduce him. Also Lesnar would not want either of those either, Lesnar as he has admitted a few times see's WWE as a job and nothing something he enjoys to much.
UFC is his real passion and he wants to succeed in it to prove himself as a legitimate fighter so no way would he ever want to come out to his WWE music ect.
Going forward I think Brock will do Summerslam and then try to get out of his WWE contract. He looked so happy all week and loved being back in the UFC and after last night he will want to go on and try to gain the belt again.”
“Be no chance in hell that UFC would use his WWE music or allow Heyman to introduce him. Also Lesnar would not want either of those either, Lesnar as he has admitted a few times see's WWE as a job and nothing something he enjoys to much.
UFC is his real passion and he wants to succeed in it to prove himself as a legitimate fighter so no way would he ever want to come out to his WWE music ect.
Going forward I think Brock will do Summerslam and then try to get out of his WWE contract. He looked so happy all week and loved being back in the UFC and after last night he will want to go on and try to gain the belt again.”
I think Brock sees both as a job, and a way to feed his family, and to keep them happy first and foremost.
Whether he is in a WWE ring, or a UFC octagon, he just sees it as another pay check, where he just does what he does.
I doubt very much if he is bothered at all what music he comes out to, or who introduces him in the ring, he just has a one track mind.
It would be good if WWE and the UFC going forward could for the fans sake come to some sort of arrangement over the music, as him coming out to one set would help to solidify his "brand" so to speak, and the more regimented his "brand", the bigger both companies pay checks will be once he is on their respective shows.
I could see going forward an arrangement whereby Brock is used sporadically (well far less if that is possible) by WWE, but still having him under a nice fat contract, and sort of renting him out to UFC to use.
Brock gets the easy big pay day from WWE, and that is part of the reason why he initially did sign this new deal with them, over a possible UFC deal, and he can also still participate in UFC events when needed, and also as seen last night/this morning, WWE can have their product advertised all over the UFC event.
So it would be a win all round for Brock, Vince, and Dana.
Orton to beat Brock clean then to show everyone WWE is better than UFC (In the head of Vince at least)
I'd have Orton beat Lesnar clean. Lesnar gets angry and demands a rematch at Survivor Series. Orton beats Lesnar clean again. They go their separate ways and Lesnar wins the World Title while Orton becomes the No.1 contender for a match at WM. Orton then beats Lesnar clean yet again. Insert an Orton heel turn in there at some point too.
The reason why is because Brock Lesnar is a legitimate threat whereas Orton has fizzled down over the past few years. Yes, he became the first WWE World Heavyweight Champion, but all that stuff with The Authority really took some of his star power again. In my eyes, anyway. That's why I think Orton needs a few big wins over a legitimate name to bring his status back. As for Lesnar, he's already a big name, on a great momentum and has done so much recently that a few losses to Randy Orton wouldn't hurt him.
The reason why is because Brock Lesnar is a legitimate threat whereas Orton has fizzled down over the past few years. Yes, he became the first WWE World Heavyweight Champion, but all that stuff with The Authority really took some of his star power again. In my eyes, anyway. That's why I think Orton needs a few big wins over a legitimate name to bring his status back. As for Lesnar, he's already a big name, on a great momentum and has done so much recently that a few losses to Randy Orton wouldn't hurt him.
Originally Posted by Harris_07:
“I'd have Orton beat Lesnar clean. Lesnar gets angry and demands a rematch at Survivor Series. Orton beats Lesnar clean again. They go their separate ways and Lesnar wins the World Title while Orton becomes the No.1 contender for a match at WM. Orton then beats Lesnar clean yet again. Insert an Orton heel turn in there at some point too.
The reason why is because Brock Lesnar is a legitimate threat whereas Orton has fizzled down over the past few years. Yes, he became the first WWE World Heavyweight Champion, but all that stuff with The Authority really took some of his star power again. In my eyes, anyway. That's why I think Orton needs a few big wins over a legitimate name to bring his status back. As for Lesnar, he's already a big name, on a great momentum and has done so much recently that a few losses to Randy Orton wouldn't hurt him.”
“I'd have Orton beat Lesnar clean. Lesnar gets angry and demands a rematch at Survivor Series. Orton beats Lesnar clean again. They go their separate ways and Lesnar wins the World Title while Orton becomes the No.1 contender for a match at WM. Orton then beats Lesnar clean yet again. Insert an Orton heel turn in there at some point too.
The reason why is because Brock Lesnar is a legitimate threat whereas Orton has fizzled down over the past few years. Yes, he became the first WWE World Heavyweight Champion, but all that stuff with The Authority really took some of his star power again. In my eyes, anyway. That's why I think Orton needs a few big wins over a legitimate name to bring his status back. As for Lesnar, he's already a big name, on a great momentum and has done so much recently that a few losses to Randy Orton wouldn't hurt him.”
Didn't you once say you wanted Orton champion because you liked his entrance music lol. And you wanted Kane as Champion at one point.
I'm sure you would gladly have Orton pin Lesnar more than once.
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“Didn't you once say you wanted Orton champion because you liked his entrance music lol. And you wanted Kane as Champion at one point. I'm sure you would gladly have Orton pin Lesnar more than once.”
“Didn't you once say you wanted Orton champion because you liked his entrance music lol. And you wanted Kane as Champion at one point.
I'm sure you would gladly have Orton pin Lesnar more than once.”
Not sure about wanting Orton as Champion just because of his music (which I do enjoy). But, yes, I still want to see Kane as a World Champion. That's very unlikely though. I'll settle for seeing him with his mask on. Don't like that Kane wears his mask part-time, but I'll take what I can get.
I find UFC really hard to watch espeacially when they just start pounding away on the head. Makes me wince big time.
Saying that Brock was in amazing shape and his speed is insane!
Saying that Brock was in amazing shape and his speed is insane!
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Said many times before but UUDD is a brilliant show. It incorporates WWE and Video Gaming and Xavier is just a really entertaining guy anyway.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I wonder which side Brock will be on in the upcoming draft, I presume Raw??”
“I wonder which side Brock will be on in the upcoming draft, I presume Raw??”
As vampirek stated I don't think Brock will be included in the draft as he's part time and an attraction. He probably has the freedom to move around.
Saying that, if he was involved in the draft he would surely go to Raw. WWE still considers it the main show.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I wonder which side Brock will be on in the upcoming draft, I presume Raw??”
“I wonder which side Brock will be on in the upcoming draft, I presume Raw??”
He ll go to ring listen to both GM's then F5 Vince and have beers with Flair then F5 him and sign Raw. No wait that already happened.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Randy Orton has absolutely no business beating Lesnar clean.”
“Randy Orton has absolutely no business beating Lesnar clean.”
Glad it is not just me then thinking that. You can't have Lesnar losing 3 times in a row, cleanly as well to Orton.
Originally Posted by ICT User 77:
“Said many times before but UUDD is a brilliant show. It incorporates WWE and Video Gaming and Xavier is just a really entertaining guy anyway.”
“Said many times before but UUDD is a brilliant show. It incorporates WWE and Video Gaming and Xavier is just a really entertaining guy anyway.”
Yeah and as El Murpho gave me a shout out, it's even better.
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“Some really good sounding shows here. These are the ones id choose to watch. Bold more likely, underlined even more, ! are the two im most excited for.
And im bloody glad it seems they've got Trish back on board in some form.”
“Some really good sounding shows here. These are the ones id choose to watch. Bold more likely, underlined even more, ! are the two im most excited for.
And im bloody glad it seems they've got Trish back on board in some form.”
Some decent ideas. It's all about how they're executed.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Randy Orton has absolutely no business beating Lesnar clean.”
“Randy Orton has absolutely no business beating Lesnar clean.”
But in Vince's head that will make WWE better then UFC and as Brock and UFC know his WWE losses don't care then neither will object so WWE have free reign to book Orton to beat him clean
Originally Posted by ICT User 77:
“I think Lesnar will keep doing both for a while.
Let's say he does UFC 205 (which he will) and wins again. Lesnar will certainly be on course for the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
And he is receiving a huge paycheck from WWE which of course you aren't going to turn down ,
WWE may not have him for October/November, but they will more likely want him for Royal Rumble/ Wrestlemania anyway.
Either way Lesnar is looking awesome at the moment.”
“I think Lesnar will keep doing both for a while.
Let's say he does UFC 205 (which he will) and wins again. Lesnar will certainly be on course for the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
And he is receiving a huge paycheck from WWE which of course you aren't going to turn down ,
WWE may not have him for October/November, but they will more likely want him for Royal Rumble/ Wrestlemania anyway.
Either way Lesnar is looking awesome at the moment.”
UFC heavyweight champion Stipe Miocic would murder Lesnar worse than Philip Brooks is going to be murdered by Mickey Gall, assuming the latter happens.
Cain Velasquez & Fabricio Werdum would probably beat Brock also. Could see UFC booking Brock against Alistair Overeem.
Originally Posted by JCR:
“UFC heavyweight champion Stipe Miocic would murder Lesnar worse than Philip Brooks is going to be murdered by Mickey Gall, assuming the latter happens.
Cain Velasquez & Fabricio Werdum would probably beat Brock also. Could see UFC booking Brock against Alistair Overeem.”
“UFC heavyweight champion Stipe Miocic would murder Lesnar worse than Philip Brooks is going to be murdered by Mickey Gall, assuming the latter happens.
Cain Velasquez & Fabricio Werdum would probably beat Brock also. Could see UFC booking Brock against Alistair Overeem.”
Oh yeah they would certainly be tough fights and Brock would be the underdog, but Brock did UFC again to see if he still could and now he's won he will have the belief that he can beat anybody.
He won't back down against anyone.
Originally Posted by stu64:
“Glad it is not just me then thinking that. You can't have Lesnar losing 3 times in a row, cleanly as well to Orton.”
“Glad it is not just me then thinking that. You can't have Lesnar losing 3 times in a row, cleanly as well to Orton.”
You can. Its been disgraceful how long hes gone unbeaten since his return apart from that loss to Cena when he first came back.
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“You can. Its been disgraceful how long hes gone unbeaten since his return apart from that loss to Cena when he first came back.”
“You can. Its been disgraceful how long hes gone unbeaten since his return apart from that loss to Cena when he first came back.”
Or his loss to Triple H at WM, then losing the belt at WM 31 albeit via a triple threat match, losing to Taker at Summerslam...not winning the Rumble and losing another triple threat match at Fastlane.
His last 12 months has been pretty poor in terms of booking.
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“You can. Its been disgraceful how long hes gone unbeaten since his return apart from that loss to Cena when he first came back.”
“You can. Its been disgraceful how long hes gone unbeaten since his return apart from that loss to Cena when he first came back.”
Disgraceful? Explain.
Well with the UFC being sold for just about $4 billion, I wonder how much WWE could be bought for if Vincent Kennedy McMahon were ever to let go of it?
Lesnar, after quite a dodgy 12 months, absolutely shouldn't lose to Orton. Im one of Orton's biggest fans here but Lesnar needs that monster build on the back of a UFC victory. Im not talking about going back to Suplex City and extended squash matches, the matches need to be competitive but he needs to come out on top and a choice made right now as to who they build to ultimately defeat him. It shouldn't be Cena or Orton (or even Rollins, Ambrose or Reigns) but a Cesaro or a Rusev.
There is again interest from me in Lesnar, and I think a totally fresh Orton is the right choice for opponent. They cant **** it by making it either business as usual for Lesnar OR have him defeated in his first match.
There is again interest from me in Lesnar, and I think a totally fresh Orton is the right choice for opponent. They cant **** it by making it either business as usual for Lesnar OR have him defeated in his first match.
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