Originally Posted by DeathMagnetic:
“3 single titles from WCW? World Heavyweight Title, US Title... what is the 3rd one?”
“3 single titles from WCW? World Heavyweight Title, US Title... what is the 3rd one?”
The Cruiserweight Title is coming back.
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Originally Posted by Sinister2010:
“Vince would have to be on some strong stuff if he ever considers letting Heyman go.”
“Vince would have to be on some strong stuff if he ever considers letting Heyman go.”
I did hear he didnt like some of the things Heyman was saying on tour. Im guessing this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUCybO2H4xQ
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Because having ten million belts is shit, especially with rosters that are so thin.”
“Because having ten million belts is shit, especially with rosters that are so thin.”
If the idea behind this is to force each show to try and outdo the other, then each show having their own champions, should be the way to go.
Otherwise there isn't much point in saying Dean Ambrose is on Smackdown, if as WWE Champion, be can just pop along to Raw (same goes for the rest of the belt holders).
Each brand should be synonymous with their own belts, and their own champions.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“If the idea behind this is to force each show to try and outdo the other, then each show having their own champions, should be the way to go.
Otherwise there isn't much point in saying Dean Ambrose is on Smackdown, if as WWE Champion, be can just pop along to Raw (same goes for the rest of the belt holders).
Each brand should be synonymous with their own belts, and their own champions.”
“If the idea behind this is to force each show to try and outdo the other, then each show having their own champions, should be the way to go.
Otherwise there isn't much point in saying Dean Ambrose is on Smackdown, if as WWE Champion, be can just pop along to Raw (same goes for the rest of the belt holders).
Each brand should be synonymous with their own belts, and their own champions.”
I know what a brand split is. But having for example a tag team or women's championship that there are only 4 or 5 possible holders of means that it's not much of a title at all. The more titles there are the less valuable they are.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“I know what a brand split is. But having for example a tag team or women's championship that there are only 4 or 5 possible holders of means that it's not much of a title at all. The more titles there are the less valuable they are.”
“I know what a brand split is. But having for example a tag team or women's championship that there are only 4 or 5 possible holders of means that it's not much of a title at all. The more titles there are the less valuable they are.”
Completely agree.
Champions, with the exception of IC and US (because the similar title already exists for the other) IMO, should have been excluded from the draft. We don't need two women's, two tag belts. How can you say you're the best when somebody else in your company/division holds the same title? Also possibly have said Raw gets Womens, SD gets Cruiserweight as I believe was the case in the original draft.
A good storyline doesn't need a belt and a PPV with a well built storyline doesn't need a title match to end it on.
Originally Posted by DeathMagnetic:
“3 single titles from WCW? World Heavyweight Title, US Title... what is the 3rd one?”
“3 single titles from WCW? World Heavyweight Title, US Title... what is the 3rd one?”
Cruiserweight perhaps?
Ignore this I was looking at wrong pag and didn't see the previous reply
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“Completely agree.
Champions, with the exception of IC and US (because the similar title already exists for the other) IMO, should have been excluded from the draft. We don't need two women's, two tag belts. How can you say you're the best when somebody else in your company/division holds the same title? Also possibly have said Raw gets Womens, SD gets Cruiserweight as I believe was the case in the original draft.
A good storyline doesn't need a belt and a PPV with a well built storyline doesn't need a title match to end it on.”
“Completely agree.
Champions, with the exception of IC and US (because the similar title already exists for the other) IMO, should have been excluded from the draft. We don't need two women's, two tag belts. How can you say you're the best when somebody else in your company/division holds the same title? Also possibly have said Raw gets Womens, SD gets Cruiserweight as I believe was the case in the original draft.
A good storyline doesn't need a belt and a PPV with a well built storyline doesn't need a title match to end it on.”
I would have been fine with women all on one show and cruiserweights all on another but I'm not sure if it flies in 2016 to have a TV show with a large cast and no women whatsoever. I actually quite liked the old way of the world champ being the only one who could be on both shows but they didn't explore it for long enough.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“I would have been fine with women all on one show and cruiserweights all on another but I'm not sure if it flies in 2016 to have a TV show with a large cast and no women whatsoever. I actually quite liked the old way of the world champ being the only one who could be on both shows but they didn't explore it for long enough.”
“I would have been fine with women all on one show and cruiserweights all on another but I'm not sure if it flies in 2016 to have a TV show with a large cast and no women whatsoever. I actually quite liked the old way of the world champ being the only one who could be on both shows but they didn't explore it for long enough.”
I think its better though than 2 of each division titles. My first aim would have been all champions (again IC and US excluded) but id rather all female competition on one show than reverting back to two titles
Originally Posted by DeathMagnetic:
“3 single titles from WCW? World Heavyweight Title, US Title... what is the 3rd one?”
“3 single titles from WCW? World Heavyweight Title, US Title... what is the 3rd one?”
I'd guess it's the assumption there'll be a cruiserweight title.
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“The Cruiserweight Title is coming back.”
“The Cruiserweight Title is coming back.”
Welcome to WWE Monday Nitro all we need now is Tony that will put bums on seats Schiavane.
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“I think its better though than 2 of each division titles. My first aim would have been all champions (again IC and US excluded) but id rather all female competition on one show than reverting back to two titles”
“I think its better though than 2 of each division titles. My first aim would have been all champions (again IC and US excluded) but id rather all female competition on one show than reverting back to two titles”
It's sad that they don't seem to have a set plan, possibly even today, for what to do with the title situation. They're going with branded PPVs and specials, but unfortunately the midcard titles don't have the prestige to carry them. From a PC standpoint they can't separate the divisions because that means a television show features only males.
It will end up like the latter half of the 00's, when 4 women fought over the divas title and guys were thrown together to create something resembling of a tag division.
Originally Posted by Sinister2010:
“Welcome to WWE Monday Nitro all we need now is Tony that will put bums on seats Schiavane.”
“Welcome to WWE Monday Nitro all we need now is Tony that will put bums on seats Schiavane.”
Just need Eric Bischoff to replace Foley
15 years ago today was The highest grossing non-Mania PPV in #WWE history. Invasion 2001.
what a great PPV it was
what a great PPV it was
Originally Posted by COTTONHEAT:
“15 years ago today was The highest grossing non-Mania PPV in #WWE history. Invasion 2001.
what a great PPV it was”
“15 years ago today was The highest grossing non-Mania PPV in #WWE history. Invasion 2001.
what a great PPV it was”
Highest grossing PPV that just plain sucked because WWE couldnt get the big WCW contracts that fans at the time wanted. That angle could have been awesome if Vince could have gotten Hogan, Hall, Nash, Goldberg & Steiner.
Not sure whoever else had the big contracts im guessing Lex Luger & Sting did.
Did anyone on here ever do a fantasy draft? I couldnt find it and it be interesting to see what other DS members on here come up with.
Here they are:
http://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/ww...medium=twitter
New sets now please. And obvs new and distinct booking philosophies too but I'll not get too far ahead of myself.
http://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/ww...medium=twitter
New sets now please. And obvs new and distinct booking philosophies too but I'll not get too far ahead of myself.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Here they are:
http://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/ww...medium=twitter
New sets now please. And obvs new and distinct booking philosophies too but I'll not get too far ahead of myself.”
“Here they are:
http://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/ww...medium=twitter
New sets now please. And obvs new and distinct booking philosophies too but I'll not get too far ahead of myself.”
I like the Smackdown one but the Raw one looks a very basic generic font.
Mick Foley mentioned moments and Daniel mentioned in-ring competition so maybe Raw will focus more on moments and Smackdown will be more of a wrestling show.
I hope they do that. I would like to think if there was any real change happening that they would at least make mention of it and try and tell their audience that things will be changing. Maybe they will just play it by ear and try things here and there and see what the reactions are. The way it comes across to me is Raw will be exactly the same with the promos and matches and the McMahons and Smackdown will be more of a straight wrestling show it's more match focused and there wont be too much in the way of heels and faces arguing with the GM and arguing in the ring.
I hope they do that. I would like to think if there was any real change happening that they would at least make mention of it and try and tell their audience that things will be changing. Maybe they will just play it by ear and try things here and there and see what the reactions are. The way it comes across to me is Raw will be exactly the same with the promos and matches and the McMahons and Smackdown will be more of a straight wrestling show it's more match focused and there wont be too much in the way of heels and faces arguing with the GM and arguing in the ring.
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“I like the Smackdown one but the Raw one looks a very basic generic font.”
“I like the Smackdown one but the Raw one looks a very basic generic font.”
I actually prefer the Raw one.
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“Mick Foley mentioned moments and Daniel mentioned in-ring competition so maybe Raw will focus more on moments and Smackdown will be more of a wrestling show.
I hope they do that. I would like to think if there was any real change happening that they would at least make mention of it and try and tell their audience that things will be changing. Maybe they will just play it by ear and try things here and there and see what the reactions are. The way it comes across to me is Raw will be exactly the same with the promos and matches and the McMahons and Smackdown will be more of a straight wrestling show it's more match focused and there wont be too much in the way of heels and faces arguing with the GM and arguing in the ring.”
“Mick Foley mentioned moments and Daniel mentioned in-ring competition so maybe Raw will focus more on moments and Smackdown will be more of a wrestling show.
I hope they do that. I would like to think if there was any real change happening that they would at least make mention of it and try and tell their audience that things will be changing. Maybe they will just play it by ear and try things here and there and see what the reactions are. The way it comes across to me is Raw will be exactly the same with the promos and matches and the McMahons and Smackdown will be more of a straight wrestling show it's more match focused and there wont be too much in the way of heels and faces arguing with the GM and arguing in the ring.”
I assume Smackdown tries to recreate what it had in the early to mid-00s, when it was far superior to the HHH dominated Raw. But I assume we basically continue in the same state of stasis as we've had since about 2014 with some tinkering around the edges.
What you say makes sense but then they would have been better off having Zayn, Cesaro and Owens on Smackdown. But I honestly think they just made up the picks without much second thought.
There needs to be some kind of creative change and a clear direction for each show. I don't want Stephanie McMahon lecturing the heels on how they have to earn their spot to face Dean Ambrose and Mick Foley giggling in the background. Or the usual thing where someone wants a title shot, the champ gives them it then the GM comes out and tells them they have to fight someone else to get the shot at the title. That all has to change and the same way matches are currently made where they show graphics at the start of the show giving you the big matches of the night, usually just a random selection of heels vs babyfaces with no story attached. In order for that to change they have to have stories in the first place and If i was working there, that's where i would start.
I would have Cesaro do his shoot promo again where he talks about not being in the top 10 draft picks and he has trouble speaking because he can speak 5 different languages, i would do 5 minute squash matches with him with local talent every week as he tries to prove his worth. 5 weeks of that before Mick steps in and tells him he has to have 10 straight wins in order to impress him, the remaining 5 matches will be against contracted talent. I would have that 10th match be the night of the next Raw PPV and on that night tell him that he wont be fighting Ambrose but will instead be fighting Rusev for the United States Championship.
I would have Braun Strowman work a similar program against contracted talent like Golden Truth, Curtis Axel, Bo Dallas only he loses those matches. Then Mark Henry pulls him aside, sees what he could be, he could be what Mark Henry used to be, the World's Strongest Man, a dominent force in WWE and Mark Henry takes a coaching role with Braun, completel changes Braun's look, change his ring attire completey and his look.
I would do a story with Darren Young and Bob Backlund where Darren announces he can win any match with the Chickenwing because of Mr Backlund's teaching that every time he has a match he gets on the mic and tells his opponent to his face that he's going to beat them, he's going to make them submit and there's nothing they can do about it and should he fail to beat them with the Chickenwing within 5 minutes. He will leave the WWE for good. I would do this with him as babyface and i would build it up and up until a babyface steps up and takes the challenge, they gladly accept and that's when Mr Backlund finally gets involved and Darren Young turns heel. I would have skits backstage with Mr Backlund walking into locker rooms, interrupting interviews, i'd have him scouting talent to face Darren Young and being his usual crazy self but on the other side have Darren Young be the professional, he's not heelish in anyway, not until the big reveal when some up and comer really takes him to his limit, maybe even a renewed Braun Strauman who's just to big for the submission move.
I would give Enzo and Cass a run with the tag team belts. I would also have Gallows and Anderson work the tag division and separate from AJ. I would AJ work the cruiserweight division in order to get all the belts. I would put that belt on AJ. After Enzo and Cass drop the belts to Gallow and Anderson I would have AJ then try and take the world title and have them try and carry all the belts. By that time Cesaro will have beaten Rusev for his United States Title, i would put him against AJ and I would do some kind of gimmick match involving all the tag teams to get the belts back off Anderson and Gallows and split the club up for good.
I would have Sheamus interacting with some of the women and getting someone to manage him.
I'd have storylines outside the arena.
I'd show training sessions before big matches and show the wrestlers in the gym training for their matches and doing interviews from the gym talking about their matches.
I'd try loads of things to freshen things up and create stories and that's just with Raw so far.
I would have Cesaro do his shoot promo again where he talks about not being in the top 10 draft picks and he has trouble speaking because he can speak 5 different languages, i would do 5 minute squash matches with him with local talent every week as he tries to prove his worth. 5 weeks of that before Mick steps in and tells him he has to have 10 straight wins in order to impress him, the remaining 5 matches will be against contracted talent. I would have that 10th match be the night of the next Raw PPV and on that night tell him that he wont be fighting Ambrose but will instead be fighting Rusev for the United States Championship.
I would have Braun Strowman work a similar program against contracted talent like Golden Truth, Curtis Axel, Bo Dallas only he loses those matches. Then Mark Henry pulls him aside, sees what he could be, he could be what Mark Henry used to be, the World's Strongest Man, a dominent force in WWE and Mark Henry takes a coaching role with Braun, completel changes Braun's look, change his ring attire completey and his look.
I would do a story with Darren Young and Bob Backlund where Darren announces he can win any match with the Chickenwing because of Mr Backlund's teaching that every time he has a match he gets on the mic and tells his opponent to his face that he's going to beat them, he's going to make them submit and there's nothing they can do about it and should he fail to beat them with the Chickenwing within 5 minutes. He will leave the WWE for good. I would do this with him as babyface and i would build it up and up until a babyface steps up and takes the challenge, they gladly accept and that's when Mr Backlund finally gets involved and Darren Young turns heel. I would have skits backstage with Mr Backlund walking into locker rooms, interrupting interviews, i'd have him scouting talent to face Darren Young and being his usual crazy self but on the other side have Darren Young be the professional, he's not heelish in anyway, not until the big reveal when some up and comer really takes him to his limit, maybe even a renewed Braun Strauman who's just to big for the submission move.
I would give Enzo and Cass a run with the tag team belts. I would also have Gallows and Anderson work the tag division and separate from AJ. I would AJ work the cruiserweight division in order to get all the belts. I would put that belt on AJ. After Enzo and Cass drop the belts to Gallow and Anderson I would have AJ then try and take the world title and have them try and carry all the belts. By that time Cesaro will have beaten Rusev for his United States Title, i would put him against AJ and I would do some kind of gimmick match involving all the tag teams to get the belts back off Anderson and Gallows and split the club up for good.
I would have Sheamus interacting with some of the women and getting someone to manage him.
I'd have storylines outside the arena.
I'd show training sessions before big matches and show the wrestlers in the gym training for their matches and doing interviews from the gym talking about their matches.
I'd try loads of things to freshen things up and create stories and that's just with Raw so far.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Here they are:
http://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/ww...medium=twitter
New sets now please. And obvs new and distinct booking philosophies too but I'll not get too far ahead of myself.”
“Here they are:
http://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/ww...medium=twitter
New sets now please. And obvs new and distinct booking philosophies too but I'll not get too far ahead of myself.”
If the new sets are as bad as those logos then no thanks. The error in the current WWE logo is still baffling.
Not been keeping up to much lately with Raw but noticed for the 2nd PPV in a row that the womens championship belt is not being defending, yet again Charlotte is in a pointless tag match.
So making a huge deal about the new belt at WM was pretty pointless then.
So making a huge deal about the new belt at WM was pretty pointless then.
Originally Posted by JCR:
“The documentary on the Scott Hall dvd is really good, probably the best WWE one I've seen.”
“The documentary on the Scott Hall dvd is really good, probably the best WWE one I've seen.”
It is very good. Well worth a watch.
The new Raw and Smackdown logos are fairly rank. The alledged themes sound fairly poor as well.
Raw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFJooJbSntQ
Smackdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8eQDSHaN5s
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