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Old 03-06-2016, 10:24
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I like Cain, he has depth of character, and the actor plays him well. It wilt be interesting to watch the outcome of the Dr. and Belle story now that Cain knows about it
Ross is a silly mummy's boy, playing at being a baddie. His Bonnie 'n Clyde storyline with Donna was pure pantomime. I wish it had been him that died, not Donna; Donna could have become an integral part of Emmerdale again.
Presumably you condone Cain being nasty.

But you foam at the mouth in indignation if Ross gets a bit naughty.

And the Ross/Donna storyline was rather good; Ross and Dour Debbie were as dull as Coldplay and Sam Smith.
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Old 03-06-2016, 11:06
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I can't see Cain as boring I have liked his transformation from bad man to a tamer version still trying to protect his family sometimes in the worst ways. He certainly isn't unattractive either ! Ross has been good too his grief at donnas death was particularly well acted, now struggling to tolerate his brother he is pretty good too. Both interesting characters, now boring would be Aaron and charity who both fail miserably to play anything but the most two dimensional characters.
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Old 03-06-2016, 11:32
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I knew you would get the violins out for Cain.

But at least you acknowledge that he is a scumbag.
No, he's s not a scumbag. He shows signs that he could have been a decent person if he's d had a better start. What's sRoss' excuse for thinking you can kill people for money? Dad not making it to a school concert?

I notice how you don't t protest when other Ross fans ' get the violins out for him' - because you know, his mum left, his brother hurt him in a fight and then panicked, his Dad didn't t make him a favourite ....There's s plenty of ' violin playing' goes on where Ross is concerned and yet you show these posters a bit of respect
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Old 03-06-2016, 12:10
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I find Ross to be a poor copy of Cain, everything about him seems to be a less gritty version with the exception of his ability to almost kill for filthy lucre. True he had a troubled childhood and one that would do damage, but is it enough to turn him into a cold blooded killer, or someone capable of torturing his own brother? Cain on the other hand had years of abuse and neglect - none of which excuses his behaviour but it's easy to see how someone brought up with violence and cruelty becomes violent and cruel. The Ross\ Donna story was a copy of Cain and Angie, but without the sinister, obsessive aspect or indeed, the chemistry. Both were softened with the arrival of a child but where Cain got a truculent teenager, Ross has a cute baby. It's s like they're re trying to brush the attempted murders under the carpet and portray him as a ' misunderstood, loveable rogue.' Not very honest storytelling or character development. Why do his parents treat him like he's s just a naughty little boy as well? It's s extremely irritating!
Really? You think Ross is treated well by Emma and James? When James thought Pete had killed Ross what was he trying to do? Oh yeah stop Debbie from grassing Pete up. Also I dont think its fair to say Ross is a poor version of Cain, they are different. Ross imo is so much more funnier and the main thing I like about Ross is that he isnt a hypocrite, he admits thats hes crazy. Also comparing the Ross/Donna storyline to the one Cain had, Ross and Donna had amazing chemistry and Donna actually loved Ross. Wasnt Cain just used by Angie? Also Emma cannot judge Ross at all, she tried to kill him and James. The house that they are all living in was originally Ross' after Andy left. So I think a scene in which James and Emma discipline Ross for his actions would be ridiculous, he is a grown man.

It also seems that people are ignoring what is happening on screen now and are just hung up on his past. Right now we are seeing him frequently take care of Moses, making an effort to start the taxi firm, he seems to have stopped the dodgy stuff with Charity and the feud with Pete looks to be over.
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Old 03-06-2016, 12:13
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No, he's s not a scumbag. He shows signs that he could have been a decent person if he's d had a better start. What's sRoss' excuse for thinking you can kill people for money? Dad not making it to a school concert?

I notice how you don't t protest when other Ross fans ' get the violins out for him' - because you know, his mum left, his brother hurt him in a fight and then panicked, his Dad didn't t make him a favourite ....There's s plenty of ' violin playing' goes on where Ross is concerned and yet you show these posters a bit of respect
Cain can be a scumbag and have some scenes in which you think he is a decent person really. Its the same with Ross I think he has an evil side, but the side we are seeing at the moment has calmed down alot.
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Old 03-06-2016, 12:25
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I can't see Cain as boring I have liked his transformation from bad man to a tamer version still trying to protect his family sometimes in the worst ways. He certainly isn't unattractive either ! Ross has been good too his grief at donnas death was particularly well acted, now struggling to tolerate his brother he is pretty good too. Both interesting characters, now boring would be Aaron and charity who both fail miserably to play anything but the most two dimensional characters.
Same, I find them both interesting in different ways. ED is lucky to have both Cain and Ross, as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 03-06-2016, 13:15
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Same, I find them both interesting in different ways. ED is lucky to have both Cain and Ross, as far as I'm concerned.
Definitely.

Both are interesting characters to watch despite not being truly likeable characters all of the time.
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Old 03-06-2016, 13:28
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I'm a Ross girl through and through but Jeff Hordley is gorgeous and is a fantastic dramatic actor
You're anybody's 'girl' tbf love. There's a word for that sort of behaviour.

Your admission to the convent hasn't changed very much has it?
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Old 03-06-2016, 13:35
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I like Cain, he has depth of character, and the actor plays him well. It wilt be interesting to watch the outcome of the Dr. and Belle story now that Cain knows about it
Ross is a silly mummy's boy, playing at being a baddie. His Bonnie 'n Clyde storyline with Donna was pure pantomime. I wish it had been him that died, not Donna; Donna could have become an integral part of Emmerdale again.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. The reason Donna died was because Verity Rushworth actually asked if she could come back and have Donna killed off.
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Old 03-06-2016, 13:38
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I find Ross to be a poor copy of Cain, everything about him seems to be a less gritty version with the exception of his ability to almost kill for filthy lucre. True he had a troubled childhood and one that would do damage, but is it enough to turn him into a cold blooded killer, or someone capable of torturing his own brother? Cain on the other hand had years of abuse and neglect - none of which excuses his behaviour but it's easy to see how someone brought up with violence and cruelty becomes violent and cruel. The Ross\ Donna story was a copy of Cain and Angie, but without the sinister, obsessive aspect or indeed, the chemistry. Both were softened with the arrival of a child but where Cain got a truculent teenager, Ross has a cute baby. It's s like they're re trying to brush the attempted murders under the carpet and portray him as a ' misunderstood, loveable rogue.' Not very honest storytelling or character development. Why do his parents treat him like he's s just a naughty little boy as well? It's s extremely irritating!
I think Ross is a copy of Aaron who was a copy of Cain and I think that Ross had a pretty easy upbringing compared to say Aaron who was abandoned by his mom and raped by his father. Ross grew up with a loving dad and two brothers. All his whining about Pete comes off as pathetic for a 30 year old man.

I knew you would get the violins out for Cain.

But at least you acknowledge that he is a scumbag.
If Cain is a scumbag what does that make Ross?
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Old 03-06-2016, 13:38
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Presumably you condone Cain being nasty.

But you foam at the mouth in indignation if Ross gets a bit naughty.

And the Ross/Donna storyline was rather good; Ross and Dour Debbie were as dull as Coldplay and Sam Smith.
Cain is a good character, but it's a bit ridiculous that he's painted-in his 40s- to be the hardest man in the village. Ross could do him easily in real life.

I'd foam at the mouth if Ross got a bit naughty with me !

The Ross/Donna storyline was good. Donna was an irritating character for me, but Parr plays Ross so well that you could see how his character had fallen for her in a big way, and that he was so anguished at her death. Remarkably well played and acted for a soap. I've said it before; ED struck Gold when they cast Michael Parr.

Debbie is a dreadful character, nothing against he actress, but I loved her getting her just desserts at her wedding to Pete.
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Old 03-06-2016, 13:41
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You're anybody's 'girl' tbf love. There's a word for that sort of behaviour.

Your admission to the convent hasn't changed very much has it?
The Sisters of the Immaculate Conception would just FAINT at reading your comment!
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Old 03-06-2016, 14:08
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I've said it before but in trying to progress Cain, they have made him more repetitive than he ever was before.

I don't think the Cain & Moira relationship does either of them any favours. His most repetitive scenes are with her nagging him, but her previously consistent morals seem to come and go depending on the situation.

She has watered him down and for me that doesn't count as progression. You see the progression more with Debbie. She is more believable as his Achilles heel. I can see what they're trying to do with Moira but it just doesn't work for me. Moira works best with her kids, even the badly acted daughter, and I would put her back behind the bar of the Woolpack. With less emphasis on Moira/Cain if they must keep them together.

I don't remember Cain being this repetitive in his first stint. He peaked in the last couple of years of that and in particular with his original exit IMO.

Ross is more burnt out though and he's only been around a few years. At least with Cain the actor is consistently good. Michael Parr comes and goes for me.
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Old 03-06-2016, 14:21
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I've said it before but in trying to progress Cain, they have made him more repetitive than he ever was before.

I don't think the Cain & Moira relationship does either of them any favours. His most repetitive scenes are with her nagging him, but her previously consistent morals seem to come and go depending on the situation.

She has watered him down and for me that doesn't count as progression. You see the progression more with Debbie. She is more believable as his Achilles heel. I can see what they're trying to do with Moira but it just doesn't work for me. Moira works best with her kids, even the badly acted daughter, and I would put her back behind the bar of the Woolpack. With less emphasis on Moira/Cain if they must keep them together.

I don't remember Cain being this repetitive in his first stint. He peaked in the last couple of years of that and in particular with his original exit IMO.

Ross is more burnt out though and he's only been around a few years. At least with Cain the actor is consistently good. Michael Parr comes and goes for me.
Michael Parr has been great, the Debbie stuff dragged his character down a bit but he done his best with the dull writing.
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Old 03-06-2016, 14:31
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I think Ross is a copy of Aaron who was a copy of Cain and I think that Ross had a pretty easy upbringing compared to say Aaron who was abandoned by his mom and raped by his father. Ross grew up with a loving dad and two brothers. All his whining about Pete comes off as pathetic for a 30 year old man.



If Cain is a scumbag what does that make Ross?
A scumbag also, but hes a funny and sarcastic scumbag. Also why bring Aaron into it the discussion is about Ross and Cain. Yes James isnt a bad bloke but you can see how he lacks interest in Ross when hes actaully around. Ross obviosuly acted up as a child to get his attention and hes been doing it for so long that he doesnt know what else to be. He did say to Pete that he ended up living this life because "there is nothing else". Ross is quite childish at times but he has had alot to deal with.
He grew up without a mum altogether and only had a motherly figure in his life in his late 20s I assume. (as I dont think anyone knows his actual age)
James is a bit of a bore and completely lacks interest in Ross compare to Pete and Finn
The first woman he loved, killed herself infront of him.
He then found out the mum he wanted to find for years tried to kill him.
Then his own brother left him for dead, yes Ross shouldn't of had an affair with Debbie but he didnt deserve to die for it.

Despite all of this maybe Ross does these dodgy crimes because he likes it? He finds it exciting maybe? Maybe it started of as just getting attention but he turned into a proper criminal? Either way I like him, he provides entertainment, hes funny and lately to be honest he hasnt been a bad bloke.
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Old 03-06-2016, 14:35
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Cain is a good character, but it's a bit ridiculous that he's painted-in his 40s- to be the hardest man in the village. Ross could do him easily in real life.

I'd foam at the mouth if Ross got a bit naughty with me !

The Ross/Donna storyline was good. Donna was an irritating character for me, but Parr plays Ross so well that you could see how his character had fallen for her in a big way, and that he was so anguished at her death. Remarkably well played and acted for a soap. I've said it before; ED struck Gold when they cast Michael Parr.

Debbie is a dreadful character, nothing against he actress, but I loved her getting her just desserts at her wedding to Pete.
I dont think she did get her just desserts, she survived the crash and a marriage to boring Pete. Then she turned both Ross and Pete into psychos, I hope they just both stay away from her when she returns and just focus on building a brotherly bond.
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Old 03-06-2016, 14:43
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On the subject of the sexual abuse storyline for Aaron, does anyone else feel like this storey line was created purely for Robert and Aaron to get back together? I thought Danny Miller done well with the story line and it was heartbreaking but I think it was just created for "Robron" to get back together.
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Old 03-06-2016, 14:45
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A scumbag also, but hes a funny and sarcastic scumbag. Also why bring Aaron into it the discussion is about Ross and Cain. Yes James isnt a bad bloke but you can see how he lacks interest in Ross when hes actaully around. Ross obviosuly acted up as a child to get his attention and hes been doing it for so long that he doesnt know what else to be. He did say to Pete that he ended up living this life because "there is nothing else". Ross is quite childish at times but he has had alot to deal with.
He grew up without a mum altogether and only had a motherly figure in his life in his late 20s I assume. (as I dont think anyone knows his actual age)
James is a bit of a bore and completely lacks interest in Ross compare to Pete and Finn
The first woman he loved, killed herself infront of him.
He then found out the mum he wanted to find for years tried to kill him.
Then his own brother left him for dead, yes Ross shouldn't of had an affair with Debbie but he didnt deserve to die for it.

Despite all of this maybe Ross does these dodgy crimes because he likes it? He finds it exciting maybe? Maybe it started of as just getting attention but he turned into a proper criminal? Either way I like him, he provides entertainment, hes funny and lately to be honest he hasnt been a bad bloke.
I've always thought that Ross and Finn were brought in as filler for Aaron while Danny Miller left, that is why I don't get why Aaron gets all the hate where as Ross gets a pass. They are basically the same character except Aaron is gay.

I gotta disagree about James' interest in Ross, the man let his farm go while he was busy searching for Ross. For someone who forgets about his business to track down his son is a good parent in my book and shows how much James cares for him. Plus I will never forget Ross hanging Pete from that bridge and bitching about how James didn't show up for his school fair 20 years ago. That was so pathetic, and that is why I call him the Jan Brady of the Dales.
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Old 03-06-2016, 14:53
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I've always thought that Ross and Finn were brought in as filler for Aaron while Danny Miller left, that is why I don't get why Aaron gets all the hate where as Ross gets a pass. They are basically the same character except Aaron is gay.

I gotta disagree about James' interest in Ross, the man let his farm go while he was busy searching for Ross. For someone who forgets about his business to track down his son is a good parent in my book and shows how much James cares for him. Plus I will never forget Ross hanging Pete from that bridge and bitching about how James didn't show up for his school fair 20 years ago. That was so pathetic, and that is why I call him the Jan Brady of the Dales.
Ive explained many times how Ross is nothing like Aaron so I wont get into that but saying that Ross was just brought in until Aaron returned is abit unfair. When Aaron left he was totally passed the bad boy stage and he left just a normal guy who had been through alot. Also Finn is nothing like Aaron apart from the fact hes gay. You obviously rate Danny Miller alot which is fair enough but it seems sometimes you think he is bigger than the actual show as you think actors were brought in to fill the gap until her returned. Danny didnt get alot of work when he left did he?
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Old 03-06-2016, 15:08
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I've always thought that Ross and Finn were brought in as filler for Aaron while Danny Miller left, that is why I don't get why Aaron gets all the hate where as Ross gets a pass. They are basically the same character except Aaron is gay.

I gotta disagree about James' interest in Ross, the man let his farm go while he was busy searching for Ross. For someone who forgets about his business to track down his son is a good parent in my book and shows how much James cares for him. Plus I will never forget Ross hanging Pete from that bridge and bitching about how James didn't show up for his school fair 20 years ago. That was so pathetic, and that is why I call him the Jan Brady of the Dales.
Also Im sure that was just an example of the many times that James ultimately chose Pete over Ross. That might not seem like a big thing to you but as a child if your dad keeps on putting your brother ahead of you that could build in up your head over time. Another thing that was talked about was when Ross played football as a kid and James didn't show up at the final. These things build up in peoples minds and makes them feel unwanted. I think Ross was only about 10 at the time aswell. Im not saying these isolated occasions are enough to make you a criminal like Ross but I think more went on than what we know about.
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Old 03-06-2016, 15:09
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Ive explained many times how Ross is nothing like Aaron so I wont get into that but saying that Ross was just brought in until Aaron returned is abit unfair. When Aaron left he was totally passed the bad boy stage and he left just a normal guy who had been through alot. Also Finn is nothing like Aaron apart from the fact hes gay. You obviously rate Danny Miller alot which is fair enough but it seems sometimes you think he is bigger than the actual show as you think actors were brought in to fill the gap until her returned. Danny didnt get alot of work when he left did he?
I don't think Danny or Aaron is bigger than the show, but when a major character leaves they do try to bring in someone to replace then. After Kim Tate left they brought in Charity is another example of this. The combo of Ross and Finn pretty much embodied everything Aaron is. I even remember when Aaron first came back people in the DS main sight were saying Ross and Aaron were basically the same, they even both wear black all the time.
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Old 03-06-2016, 15:16
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I don't think Danny or Aaron is bigger than the show, but when a major character leaves they do try to bring in someone to replace then. After Kim Tate left they brought in Charity is another example of this. The combo of Ross and Finn pretty much embodied everything Aaron is. I even remember when Aaron first came back people in the DS main sight were saying Ross and Aaron were basically the same, they even both wear black all the time.
They have completely different personalities imo, yeah they are both quite violent at times and yes Ross can be quite whingey. I just think Ross is alot more charismatic than Aaron. When Aaron does something dodgy he feels bad about it whereas Ross gets a buzz from it most of the time. I think Ross is a villain and Aaron is a tortured sole who just wants an easy life. The bad boy version of Aaron when he first came back before he come out as gay was similar to Ross. Apart from Ross had more luck with the women.
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Old 03-06-2016, 15:25
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Surely if he was a half decent character, one short period when he was paired with someone you don't like wouldn't ruin him? Even Laurel and Marlon have recovered to some extent from the horror that was Maurel! Maybe the relationship brought out something about the character that you didn't like and it wasn't t entirely down to Debbie?
It was hardly a short period. It dragged on for months and months. It was what triggered Ross to go into psyco mode and start trying to kill Pete. Maybe "ruined" is too stong a word but it certainly bought the character down.
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Old 03-06-2016, 15:33
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They have completely different personalities imo, yeah they are both quite violent at times and yes Ross can be quite whingey. I just think Ross is alot more charismatic than Aaron. When Aaron does something dodgy he feels bad about it whereas Ross gets a buzz from it most of the time. I think Ross is a villain and Aaron is a tortured sole who just wants an easy life. The bad boy version of Aaron when he first came back before he come out as gay was similar to Ross. Apart from Ross had more luck with the women.
I see what you're saying they do seem to be going in different directions now but IMHO when Aaron returned they were both very similar, Ross wasn't so much of a villain and Aaron hadn't turned into the long suffering hero they are making him into.
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Old 03-06-2016, 15:35
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I see what you're saying they do seem to be going in different directions now but IMHO when Aaron returned they were both very similar, Ross wasn't so much of a villain and Aaron hadn't turned into the long suffering hero they are making him into.
Well hes long suffering but Im not sure about the hero bit
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