Originally Posted by al_capo:
“Well hes long suffering but Im not sure about the hero bit
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“Well hes long suffering but Im not sure about the hero bit
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He a anti here like Deadpool
ED- Boring Cain Dingle
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Originally Posted by John Dough:
“You're anybody's 'girl' tbf love. There's a word for that sort of behaviour.
Your admission to the convent hasn't changed very much has it?
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“You're anybody's 'girl' tbf love.
There's a word for that sort of behaviour.Your admission to the convent hasn't changed very much has it?
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Originally Posted by al_capo:
“On the subject of the sexual abuse storyline for Aaron, does anyone else feel like this storey line was created purely for Robert and Aaron to get back together? I thought Danny Miller done well with the story line and it was heartbreaking but I think it was just created for "Robron" to get back together.”
“On the subject of the sexual abuse storyline for Aaron, does anyone else feel like this storey line was created purely for Robert and Aaron to get back together? I thought Danny Miller done well with the story line and it was heartbreaking but I think it was just created for "Robron" to get back together.”
There has been a lot of discussion about this over the last few months, with loads thinking yes and loads thinking no, depending on who liked what characters.
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“There has been a lot of discussion about this over the last few months, with loads thinking yes and loads thinking no, depending on who liked what characters.”
“There has been a lot of discussion about this over the last few months, with loads thinking yes and loads thinking no, depending on who liked what characters.”
Well you know how I feel about Aaron but I do think the story was done to reunite Robron and it was a total retcom on Aaron's childhood and Gordon. I think they could have been more creative and come up with another way to reunite them if it was necessary.
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Well you know how I feel about Aaron but I do think the story was done to reunite Robron and it was a total retcom on Aaron's childhood and Gordon. I think they could have been more creative and come up with another way to reunite them if it was necessary.”
“Well you know how I feel about Aaron but I do think the story was done to reunite Robron and it was a total retcom on Aaron's childhood and Gordon. I think they could have been more creative and come up with another way to reunite them if it was necessary.”
They had Robert do such terrible things to Aaron that reuniting was always going to be ridiculous and make Aaron look pathetic so he was nice to him after he revealed he was abused as achild. It doesn't offset months of emotional abuse, putting a hit on his mum and almost killing his stepdad then threatening his wife and child, great loyalty to you family there Aaron.
The whole changed man thing is not only contrived it doesn't really matter somethings are unforgivable like trying to murder someone's parent. Robert was much better as a bastard anyway. Most fans of this pairing would have been just as happy if either hooked up with another good looking angst ridden gay guy.
Originally Posted by lucy_marwood:
“They had Robert do such terrible things to Aaron that reuniting was always going to be ridiculous and make Aaron look pathetic so he was nice to him after he revealed he was abused as achild. It doesn't offset months of emotional abuse, putting a hit on his mum and almost killing his stepdad then threatening his wife and child, great loyalty to you family there Aaron.
The whole changed man thing is not only contrived it doesn't really matter somethings are unforgivable like trying to murder someone's parent. Robert was much better as a bastard anyway. Most fans of this pairing would have been just as happy if either hooked up with another good looking angst ridden gay guy.”
“They had Robert do such terrible things to Aaron that reuniting was always going to be ridiculous and make Aaron look pathetic so he was nice to him after he revealed he was abused as achild. It doesn't offset months of emotional abuse, putting a hit on his mum and almost killing his stepdad then threatening his wife and child, great loyalty to you family there Aaron.
The whole changed man thing is not only contrived it doesn't really matter somethings are unforgivable like trying to murder someone's parent. Robert was much better as a bastard anyway. Most fans of this pairing would have been just as happy if either hooked up with another good looking angst ridden gay guy.”
This is so true tbf. Characters like Robert and Ross shouldn't have to be redeemed or coupled up with anyone. Just let them be villains which is essentially there role in the show, still show some redeeming qualities but not overdoing it.
Originally Posted by lucy_marwood:
“They had Robert do such terrible things to Aaron that reuniting was always going to be ridiculous and make Aaron look pathetic so he was nice to him after he revealed he was abused as achild. It doesn't offset months of emotional abuse, putting a hit on his mum and almost killing his stepdad then threatening his wife and child, great loyalty to you family there Aaron.
The whole changed man thing is not only contrived it doesn't really matter somethings are unforgivable like trying to murder someone's parent. Robert was much better as a bastard anyway. Most fans of this pairing would have been just as happy if either hooked up with another good looking angst ridden gay guy.”
“They had Robert do such terrible things to Aaron that reuniting was always going to be ridiculous and make Aaron look pathetic so he was nice to him after he revealed he was abused as achild. It doesn't offset months of emotional abuse, putting a hit on his mum and almost killing his stepdad then threatening his wife and child, great loyalty to you family there Aaron.
The whole changed man thing is not only contrived it doesn't really matter somethings are unforgivable like trying to murder someone's parent. Robert was much better as a bastard anyway. Most fans of this pairing would have been just as happy if either hooked up with another good looking angst ridden gay guy.”
You know has Robert really changed? IMHO his change only seems to apply to Aaron, since Robert supposedly grew a conscience we've seen him leave Lawrence for dead then trick Lawrence into giving him work.
Now if they really wanted to make Robert's change believable, they should have had him have brain damage from the shooting that altered his personality. That would have been more believable.
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“You know has Robert really changed? IMHO his change only seems to apply to Aaron, since Robert supposedly grew a conscience we've seen him leave Lawrence for dead then trick Lawrence into giving him work.
Now if they really wanted to make Robert's change believable, they should have had him have brain damage from the shooting that altered his personality. That would have been more believable.”
“You know has Robert really changed? IMHO his change only seems to apply to Aaron, since Robert supposedly grew a conscience we've seen him leave Lawrence for dead then trick Lawrence into giving him work.
Now if they really wanted to make Robert's change believable, they should have had him have brain damage from the shooting that altered his personality. That would have been more believable.”
Agree with a lot of this although the fact that he has just changed for Aaron is so contrived,dumb and the sort of thing bored teens right in their idealised romantic fan fiction and not professional grown ups. They should have just not had him not change at all at least as fun to watch.
Originally Posted by lucy_marwood:
“Agree with a lot of this although the fact that he has just changed for Aaron is so contrived,dumb and the sort of thing bored teens right in their idealised romantic fan fiction and not professional grown ups. They should have just not had him not change at all at least as fun to watch.”
“Agree with a lot of this although the fact that he has just changed for Aaron is so contrived,dumb and the sort of thing bored teens right in their idealised romantic fan fiction and not professional grown ups. They should have just not had him not change at all at least as fun to watch.”
I agree and its very contrived and pandering to the Robron fans, I get why the writers did it but there had to be a better way to reunite them.
Originally Posted by al_capo:
“On the subject of the sexual abuse storyline for Aaron, does anyone else feel like this storey line was created purely for Robert and Aaron to get back together? I thought Danny Miller done well with the story line and it was heartbreaking but I think it was just created for "Robron" to get back together.”
“On the subject of the sexual abuse storyline for Aaron, does anyone else feel like this storey line was created purely for Robert and Aaron to get back together? I thought Danny Miller done well with the story line and it was heartbreaking but I think it was just created for "Robron" to get back together.”
No. I don't. The child abuse story line is far more important than any reuniting of Aaron and Robert, if reunited they be. The current focus is, in any case, much more on Aaron & Liv and, to a lesser extent, Robert & Liv, than it is about Aaron & Robert.
Originally Posted by al_capo:
“This is so true tbf. Characters like Robert and Ross shouldn't have to be redeemed or coupled up with anyone. Just let them be villains which is essentially there role in the show, still show some redeeming qualities but not overdoing it.”
“This is so true tbf. Characters like Robert and Ross shouldn't have to be redeemed or coupled up with anyone. Just let them be villains which is essentially there role in the show, still show some redeeming qualities but not overdoing it.”
Well it depends who they're with, and how it's done.
I really like Cain with Moira - he's still bad, and she tolerates a level of it, but he's also sort of settled and semi-retired. I know not everyone likes them, but it hasn't killed him as a character or changed him too much. it's a compromise, because he's clearly crazy about her.
I would have loved Ross with Carly because they were both proper scam-merchants. It would have been great. Shame they had other ideas.
Originally Posted by al_capo:
“Really? You think Ross is treated well by Emma and James? When James thought Pete had killed Ross what was he trying to do? Oh yeah stop Debbie from grassing Pete up. Also I dont think its fair to say Ross is a poor version of Cain, they are different. Ross imo is so much more funnier and the main thing I like about Ross is that he isnt a hypocrite, he admits thats hes crazy. Also comparing the Ross/Donna storyline to the one Cain had, Ross and Donna had amazing chemistry and Donna actually loved Ross. Wasnt Cain just used by Angie? Also Emma cannot judge Ross at all, she tried to kill him and James. The house that they are all living in was originally Ross' after Andy left. So I think a scene in which James and Emma discipline Ross for his actions would be ridiculous, he is a grown man.
It also seems that people are ignoring what is happening on screen now and are just hung up on his past. Right now we are seeing him frequently take care of Moses, making an effort to start the taxi firm, he seems to have stopped the dodgy stuff with Charity and the feud with Pete looks to be over.”
“Really? You think Ross is treated well by Emma and James? When James thought Pete had killed Ross what was he trying to do? Oh yeah stop Debbie from grassing Pete up. Also I dont think its fair to say Ross is a poor version of Cain, they are different. Ross imo is so much more funnier and the main thing I like about Ross is that he isnt a hypocrite, he admits thats hes crazy. Also comparing the Ross/Donna storyline to the one Cain had, Ross and Donna had amazing chemistry and Donna actually loved Ross. Wasnt Cain just used by Angie? Also Emma cannot judge Ross at all, she tried to kill him and James. The house that they are all living in was originally Ross' after Andy left. So I think a scene in which James and Emma discipline Ross for his actions would be ridiculous, he is a grown man.
It also seems that people are ignoring what is happening on screen now and are just hung up on his past. Right now we are seeing him frequently take care of Moses, making an effort to start the taxi firm, he seems to have stopped the dodgy stuff with Charity and the feud with Pete looks to be over.”
Yes I do. They're be given him and his baby a hom e and forgiven both him and Pete. James also spent years looking for him out of concern, while his business and the rest of his family suffered. Your example is the one time when they wavered. As you point out, he's s a grown man yet they treat him like a badly behaved, troubled little boy.
Originally Posted by al_capo:
“A scumbag also, but hes a funny and sarcastic scumbag. Also why bring Aaron into it the discussion is about Ross and Cain. Yes James isnt a bad bloke but you can see how he lacks interest in Ross when hes actaully around. Ross obviosuly acted up as a child to get his attention and hes been doing it for so long that he doesnt know what else to be. He did say to Pete that he ended up living this life because "there is nothing else". Ross is quite childish at times but he has had alot to deal with.
He grew up without a mum altogether and only had a motherly figure in his life in his late 20s I assume. (as I dont think anyone knows his actual age)
James is a bit of a bore and completely lacks interest in Ross compare to Pete and Finn
The first woman he loved, killed herself infront of him.
He then found out the mum he wanted to find for years tried to kill him.
Then his own brother left him for dead, yes Ross shouldn't of had an affair with Debbie but he didnt deserve to die for it.
Despite all of this maybe Ross does these dodgy crimes because he likes it? He finds it exciting maybe? Maybe it started of as just getting attention but he turned into a proper criminal? Either way I like him, he provides entertainment, hes funny and lately to be honest he hasnt been a bad bloke.”
“A scumbag also, but hes a funny and sarcastic scumbag. Also why bring Aaron into it the discussion is about Ross and Cain. Yes James isnt a bad bloke but you can see how he lacks interest in Ross when hes actaully around. Ross obviosuly acted up as a child to get his attention and hes been doing it for so long that he doesnt know what else to be. He did say to Pete that he ended up living this life because "there is nothing else". Ross is quite childish at times but he has had alot to deal with.
He grew up without a mum altogether and only had a motherly figure in his life in his late 20s I assume. (as I dont think anyone knows his actual age)
James is a bit of a bore and completely lacks interest in Ross compare to Pete and Finn
The first woman he loved, killed herself infront of him.
He then found out the mum he wanted to find for years tried to kill him.
Then his own brother left him for dead, yes Ross shouldn't of had an affair with Debbie but he didnt deserve to die for it.
Despite all of this maybe Ross does these dodgy crimes because he likes it? He finds it exciting maybe? Maybe it started of as just getting attention but he turned into a proper criminal? Either way I like him, he provides entertainment, hes funny and lately to be honest he hasnt been a bad bloke.”
I find Cain funny and sarcastic. Rosscomes across as more of a cheeky schoolboy trying to wind his teacher up, but he's s a man in his twenties. Sorry, but the funny voices are a turn off. Sorry, you're re not convincing me
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“I find Cain funny and sarcastic. Rosscomes across as more of a cheeky schoolboy trying to wind his teacher up, but he's s a man in his twenties. Sorry, but the funny voices are a turn off. Sorry, you're re not convincing me”
“I find Cain funny and sarcastic. Rosscomes across as more of a cheeky schoolboy trying to wind his teacher up, but he's s a man in his twenties. Sorry, but the funny voices are a turn off. Sorry, you're re not convincing me
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Im not trying to convince you, I like him you dont. Simple as!
Originally Posted by al_capo:
“Im not trying to convince you, I like him you dont. Simple as!”
“Im not trying to convince you, I like him you dont. Simple as!”
Very true
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