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Doctor Who: Role was offered to black actor
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Moleskin
03-06-2016
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36442982

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“"Two non-white leads would be amazing. In fact, a lot of people would barely notice," he said.”

Kind of contradicting yourself there aren't you?

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“"We've kind of got to tell a lie. We'll go back into history and there will be black people where, historically, there wouldn't have been, and we won't dwell on that.

"We'll say, 'To hell with it, this is the imaginary, better version of the world. By believing in it, we'll summon it forth'."”

Re-writing history to add minorities and make it "better", what a load of PC balls, glad this muppet has left.
2shy2007
03-06-2016
I was all geared up for it to be Paterson Joseph when MS got the gig, oh how I wish it had been him instead! next time maybe...................
wampa1
03-06-2016
Originally Posted by Moleskin:
“Re-writing history to add minorities and make it "better", what a load of PC balls, glad this muppet has left.”

Whereas rewriting history so that Reptilian lizards were responsible for the Great Fire Of London is just fine.
Moleskin
03-06-2016
I don't buy the premise that it would have been better, all this country's greatest success came before there were any minorities living here, they joined for the decline.

How many World Cups has our modern multi-ethnic England team won?

I doubt Moffat believes all this nonsense either, he's just trying to win PC points and get another series on the BBC.
Michael_Eve
03-06-2016
Wondered how long the press would pick up on this after the DWM interview! And Paterson sprung to mind as remember the rumours. I understand that for the ones who auditioned, Matt was the absolute stand out, so not sure whether Moffat is referring to the Eleventh or Twelth Doctor, tbh.

I like Paterson as an actor so never say never, but for me the idea of a Doctor Whoniverse (I went there, sorry) without Matt Smith doesn't bear thinking about, to paraphrase Ainley's Master!

Or do I mean, it's PC Gawn Mad! Leftie Pinko idiot Biased Broadcasting Commies with their SJW ideas about diversity n stuff! We've had Martha, that was enough, now we get Bill. Grrrrr. (Lesbian disabled comments optional...)

Etc
Daniel Dare
03-06-2016
Wasn't Peter Capaldi always in-line to play the Doctor? I'm sure I've read in DWM that he was the only actor to audition for the role at Moffat's house.
Moleskin
03-06-2016
I don't think Doctor when I see Paterson Joseph, surely someone like Richard Ayoade would be more appropriate if they were going to go black?
Moleskin
03-06-2016
Originally Posted by Michael_Eve:
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Or do I mean, it's PC Gawn Mad! Leftie Pinko idiot Biased Broadcasting Commies with their SJW ideas about diversity n stuff! We've had Martha, that was enough, now we get Bill. Grrrrr. (Lesbian disabled comments optional...)

Etc ”

To be fair that whole interview is pure PC rubbish!

And to think I actually liked Press Gang and Joking Apart.
Ironwithin
03-06-2016
Imagine the uproar if he was a black character who they then decided was going to turn white.

I would like him to next be a Mongolian woman.
JCR
03-06-2016
Originally Posted by Daniel Dare:
“Wasn't Peter Capaldi always in-line to play the Doctor? I'm sure I've read in DWM that he was the only actor to audition for the role at Moffat's house.”

Was for the 11th doctor, quite a surprise when Matt Smith turned up, as it was assumed for months beforehand online that Paterson Joseph was who they wanted.
Lord Smexy
03-06-2016
Originally Posted by Moleskin:
“http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36442982



Kind of contradicting yourself there aren't you?



Re-writing history to add minorities and make it "better", what a load of PC balls, glad this muppet has left.”

1) I think the only way you can see this as contradictory is by intentionally reading it how you like. Two non-white leads would be amazing in the sense that it shows the progress television has made, not forgetting one of the first roles a black man had in DW wasn't exactly on the nice side.
2) I'm honestly failing to see the problem there. Having a non-white companion can present difficulties when it comes to historical setting which can only be repeated so many times. Bearing in mind, in the Whoniverse, the Earth was pretty much created by a star-shaped spaceship, talking lizards walked before us, Cybermen killed the dinosaurs and Queen Victoria founded an institute to fight alien menaces after a shapeshifting hipster saved her from a werewolf.
2shy2007
03-06-2016
Originally Posted by Moleskin:
“I don't think Doctor when I see Paterson Joseph, surely someone like Richard Ayoade would be more appropriate if they were going to go black?”

When I see him in this, all I can about is how perfect he is for the role

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHpYWy89yVU
doctor blue box
03-06-2016
Well firstly, I think bringing it up at all is a bit unfair to whomever got the job at that time after it didn't work out with the black actor (i'm assuming it was the casting of the 11 doctor and therefore Matt Smith) as it it basically advertising the fact that he wasn't really who they wanted, and was just a second choice.

Secondly, I never agree with all this casting by race/gender/minority status nonsense in any form. When rumours were going around about Patterson Joseph as a potential choice, I thought he'd be a great choice, and I still think he'd potentially be a great choice in the future, but that's because he is a good actor (who I've seen do eccentric well in more than one show), and nothing to do with anything else.

That should be the only criteria when auditioning for the role - is this person a good actor, and good fit for the role?

I'd hate to think that in the future they might decide that they have to cast a black person before they'd even auditioned anyone, and then only chose from black people, meaning a white person who might be perfect for the role doesn't even get a shot, just as it would be terrible if they did that same thing the other way around.

If the show ends ends up with two black leads in future, or two white leads for the foreseeable future, or a mixture like with 10/Martha, then as long as they were chosen on merit and not because of any sort of race quotas/issues, then I don't think it matters what colour there skin is.
Michael_Eve
03-06-2016
Originally Posted by 2shy2007:
“When I see him in this, all I can about is how perfect he is for the role

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHpYWy89yVU”

He is very good, isn't he. Very 'Doctor'. Still ony early Fifties. Over to you, Chibbers! (still want Peter C to carry on myself, have never been in a rush to say goodbye to a Doctor, but have a feeling we'll be seeing a new Doctor in 2018....or Xmas 2017.)
Mulett
03-06-2016
Diversity on TV does matter, and it matters a lot.

Doctor Who has done OK over the past 11 years in terms of presenting a more diverse cast - much better than many other shows. But I do think a non-white Doctor would be a good thing and a refreshing change.

An odd time, though, for Moffat to raise the issue. It does put the focus on Chibnall to hire someone non-white should there be a new Doctor for season 11. Perhaps he's in the know and laying the foundations . . .
stocklen
03-06-2016
Originally Posted by JCR:
“Was for the 11th doctor, quite a surprise when Matt Smith turned up, as it was assumed for months beforehand online that Paterson Joseph was who they wanted.”

they said it was in 2013 which was capaldis casting time.

So it does look like it wasnt true that nobody else was considered for the role of the 12th Doctor.

There is so much spin put on everything that its not surprising they they trip up on their own 'truths' from time to time.
Moleskin
03-06-2016
Originally Posted by Lord Smexy:
“1) I think the only way you can see this as contradictory is by intentionally reading it how you like. Two non-white leads would be amazing in the sense that it shows the progress television has made, not forgetting one of the first roles a black man had in DW wasn't exactly on the nice side.”

Look up "amazing" in the dictionary, if it amazes then you do notice it therefore his statement is contradictory.

Originally Posted by Lord Smexy:
“2) I'm honestly failing to see the problem there. Having a non-white companion can present difficulties when it comes to historical setting which can only be repeated so many times. Bearing in mind, in the Whoniverse, the Earth was pretty much created by a star-shaped spaceship, talking lizards walked before us, Cybermen killed the dinosaurs and Queen Victoria founded an institute to fight alien menaces after a shapeshifting hipster saved her from a werewolf.”

That's more playing with history than re-writing it to make it "better".
Mulett
03-06-2016
Originally Posted by Moleskin:
“Look up "amazing" in the dictionary, if it amazes then you do notice it therefore his statement is contradictory.”

I think it would be amazing for many reasons, not least that classic Who ran for 26 years without a single non-white companion (never mind a non-white Doctor). The Doctor is also one of UK television's most iconic roles and it would be wonderful for a non-white actor to take the lead. I would say it is also becoming increasingly difficult to justify the status quo.
Lord Smexy
03-06-2016
Originally Posted by Moleskin:
“Look up "amazing" in the dictionary, if it amazes then you do notice it therefore his statement is contradictory.”

Ouch, you're nitpicky with his words, aren't you? He said that he himself would find it amazing, although other people may not notice.

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“That's more playing with history than re-writing it to make it "better".”

There is literally no difference, only that one bothers you more than it really should.

As was said, diversity on TV matters, particularly when the show is based in a multicultural place as the UK is. The Doctor is supposed to be everybody's hero. Personally, it doesn't affect my enjoyment of television at all.

It always amuses me how, after 50 years of Doctor Who being "politically correct" it still bothers people as though they've only just realised.
jrmswfc
03-06-2016
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“Well firstly, I think bringing it up at all is a bit unfair to whomever got the job at that time after it didn't work out with the black actor (i'm assuming it was the casting of the 11 doctor and therefore Matt Smith) as it it basically advertising the fact that he wasn't really who they wanted, and was just a second choice.

Secondly, I never agree with all this casting by race/gender/minority status nonsense in any form. When rumours were going around about Patterson Joseph as a potential choice, I thought he'd be a great choice, and I still think he'd potentially be a great choice in the future, but that's because he is a good actor (who I've seen do eccentric well in more than one show), and nothing to do with anything else.

That should be the only criteria when auditioning for the role - is this person a good actor, and good fit for the role?

I'd hate to think that in the future they might decide that they have to cast a black person before they'd even auditioned anyone, and then only chose from black people, meaning a white person who might be perfect for the role doesn't even get a shot, just as it would be terrible if they did that same thing the other way around.

If the show ends ends up with two black leads in future, or two white leads for the foreseeable future, or a mixture like with 10/Martha, then as long as they were chosen on merit and not because of any sort of race quotas/issues, then I don't think it matters what colour there skin is.”

I don't have a problem at all with casting a black (or other ethnic) Doctor, as long as they're good in the role (I don't want a female doctor though!).

However, with regard to the BIB, the BBC interview says that they specifically wanted the new companion to be non-white. That can't be right, can it? Again I've absolutely no problem with a black companion, Martha and Mickey were fine, but they shouldn't be publicly saying that - just imagine the uproar if for the next companion they say "we only considered white actors for the role"...
Mulett
03-06-2016
Can I just add that I would be happy with the Doctor being played by a black actor as long as its not Lenny Henry.
Moleskin
03-06-2016
Reading that Hampstead dinner party nonsense from Moffatt though you can see why so many people have stopped watching, Sherlock was terrible as well after the third episode and as for Tintin, oh dear.
mossy2103
03-06-2016
Originally Posted by stocklen:
“they said it was in 2013 which was capaldis casting time.

So it does look like it wasnt true that nobody else was considered for the role of the 12th Doctor.

There is so much spin put on everything that its not surprising they they trip up on their own 'truths' from time to time.”

Quote:
“Moffat confirmed earlier this week that the decision to hire Pearl Mackie as the new assistant for Peter Capaldi’s Time Lord was a result of a deliberate effort to increase diversity in the BBC’s programming.

He also added weight to scriptwriter Neil Gaiman’s previous claims that a non-white actor was approached to take over from David Tennant in the late 2000s.

Now, Radio Times claims to have heard from “sources involved with the show at the time” that Ejiofor - who went on to score global acclaim for his work in 12 Years A Slave - is the actor who was approached.”

http://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-...for-Matt-Smith
Brass Drag0n
03-06-2016
I'd have guessed Chiwetel, he did that modern police drama and then the 30's set Jazz one for the Beeb around that time. Sadly for them (and us) his career then really took off.
Michael_Eve
03-06-2016
So another name for the 'what if....' file, then. Don't think of it as a slight on Matt; they had plenty of people as possibles which didn't work out for various reasons before they went for a certain curly haired jobbing actor who was working as a labourer at the time. That worked out rather well too!
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