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Andrew's Racist, Homophobic and disabled mocking tweets
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Alrightmate
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by acid rain:
“Yes, but the term SJW gets thrown around so liberally these days.

If someone displays a hint of compassion or empathy, or an interest in human rights or equality, then watch how they get called an SJW.”

It's not used if somebody displays compassion or empathy. Or at least it would be incorrect to use the term in that context. It gets used when activists demonstrate the opposite and act as aggressively and as hateful as they perceive the person they target to be.

I'm with onfencewithrach and choose option three.

If the twitter posts belong to Andrew, which presumably they do, then Andrew has undoubtedly posted some racist tweets.
But I'm not going to get all emotional about it and demand that he's kicked out of the BB house. All I know is that these tweets were posted. It doesn't necessarily mean that he is a racist. I don't know him, I'd like to see more about what he's like and to see what he says with his own words about what he's about.
Even then I'm not sure what people think they've achieved by getting him kicked out of the BB house. Do they think they've done a good thing which has come from a place of compassion and empathy?
Alrightmate
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“In my experience Social Justice Warriors don't actually exist. It is just a term of abuse thrown at liberals.”

Outside of your experience they most definitely do. Take a step outside of DS and you won't have to travel very far to see them in action.

SJWs are far from liberal.
hisdogspot
10-06-2016
I usually try to judge housemates on how they are in the house

On that basis, at this point Andrew would be my favourite

But those comments are so ugly, there's just no getting past them
Icabod Crane
10-06-2016
_ _ _ socket!!!!!!!!!!!!
lulu g
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by Icabod Crane:
“_ _ _ socket!!!!!!!!!!!!”

Yes, that was particularly charming, wasn't it?
Shantan
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by Firespire:
“I didn't realise he is part black so I may have been reading his tweets out of context.

To be fair to him on Instagram he's ok with black people, I assume it's ok for him to use the n word if you are part black.

Fine if he wants to stick up for the Zimmerman guy who shot the black teenager.

I wish he didn't use the shortened 'Pakistani' word even if on one occasion he's just repeating Frankie Boyle, I don't understand the Princess Diana joke, sounds in very poor taste.

He seems like he tries to be measured on Youtube with his Muslim discussions.

I think he's just a bit of a dick.

https://www.instagram.com/cobratate/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg2...uIsZPgGYIa9gFg”

No it's not okay for him to use the n word because he's part black despite what he may think. Nothing he has said in those tweets are okay, he's just an idiot (that's putting it mildly)
CMcKinley
10-06-2016
He's not that clever after all, is he.
acid rain
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Outside of your experience they most definitely do. Take a step outside of DS and you won't have to travel very far to see them in action.

SJWs are far from liberal.”


People who are offended by Donald Trump for example, often get called SJWs but I don't see his supporters being called SJWs when they get equally 'butthurt' over Obama...So it does seem to be a term used against liberals.
acid rain
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“It's not used if somebody displays compassion or empathy. Or at least it would be incorrect to use the term in that context. It gets used when activists demonstrate the opposite and act as aggressively and as hateful as they perceive the person they target to be.

I'm with onfencewithrach and choose option three.

If the twitter posts belong to Andrew, which presumably they do, then Andrew has undoubtedly posted some racist tweets.
But I'm not going to get all emotional about it and demand that he's kicked out of the BB house. All I know is that these tweets were posted. It doesn't necessarily mean that he is a racist. I don't know him, I'd like to see more about what he's like and to see what he says with his own words about what he's about.
Even then I'm not sure what people think they've achieved by getting him kicked out of the BB house. Do they think they've done a good thing which has come from a place of compassion and empathy?”


I don't care if Andrew stays. I don't like him, but I'm not offended by him because I think he was just trolling.
rockin67
11-06-2016
I suppose you could argue that if BB is 'representative' then his views deserve airtime too, they are not exactly unusual....Having said that, I have thankfully not met anyone remotely resembling a BB contestant in real life...
muggins14
11-06-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“In my experience Social Justice Warriors don't actually exist. It is just a term of abuse thrown at liberals.”

Well they do exist - history tells us that. Women who chained themselves to railings fighting for the right to vote, people refusing to sit at the back of the bus because of their skin colour, men fighting for their rights with regard to fatherhood - all social justice warriors.

The definition is ""Social justice warrior" (commonly abbreviated SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual promoting socially progressive views; including feminism, civil rights, multiculturalism, [citation needed] political correctness, and identity politics."

Unfortunately the term itself has become an insult to be thrown at people who are doing something you don't like or don't agree with (you in general terms, not you specifically ).

I fight for justice for disabled people, that would make me a social justice warrior I suppose and I'm happy to say that I am. I just feel sad for anybody that would see that as a bad thing.
Veri
11-06-2016
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“Well they do exist - history tells us that. Women who chained themselves to railings fighting for the right to vote, people refusing to sit at the back of the bus because of their skin colour, men fighting for their rights with regard to fatherhood - all social justice warriors.

The definition is ""Social justice warrior" (commonly abbreviated SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual promoting socially progressive views; including feminism, civil rights, multiculturalism, [citation needed] political correctness, and identity politics."”

That may be a definition that's online somewhere (Wikipedia?), but it doesn't really express what the pejorative use of "SJW" is about. There's an element of over-reaction, sanctimonious "virtue singalling", and a tendency towards irritating rhetoric such as "check your privilege" and use of "cis".

Quote:
“Unfortunately the term itself has become an insult to be thrown at people who are doing something you don't like or don't agree with (you in general terms, not you specifically ).

I fight for justice for disabled people, that would make me a social justice warrior I suppose and I'm happy to say that I am. I just feel sad for anybody that would see that as a bad thing.”

That wouldn't make you a Social Justice Warrior (in the pejorative sense).
Alrightmate
11-06-2016
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“Well they do exist - history tells us that. Women who chained themselves to railings fighting for the right to vote, people refusing to sit at the back of the bus because of their skin colour, men fighting for their rights with regard to fatherhood - all social justice warriors.

The definition is ""Social justice warrior" (commonly abbreviated SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual promoting socially progressive views; including feminism, civil rights, multiculturalism, [citation needed] political correctness, and identity politics."

Unfortunately the term itself has become an insult to be thrown at people who are doing something you don't like or don't agree with (you in general terms, not you specifically ).

I fight for justice for disabled people, that would make me a social justice warrior I suppose and I'm happy to say that I am. I just feel sad for anybody that would see that as a bad thing
.”

I doubt very much that you would be called the term. I accept that you probably do genuinely fight for justice for disabled people quite legitimately.
It's not a blanket term used for anybody who fights for justice, as there will be thousands of people in the world who fight for valid causes in sincere and legitimate ways.
The term is used for a very particular type of person who uses underhanded tactics and what they are doing does not serve any social justice, and instead serves to achieve the opposite.
Jules_Thornley
11-06-2016
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“I usually try to judge housemates on how they are in the house

On that basis, at this point Andrew would be my favourite

But those comments are so ugly, there's just no getting past them”

I'm with you here. I'd like to see how he plays out. I think he is one of the more interesting characters we've had in big brother for a bit. Hopefully we won't see a side that is reflected by those tweets. Maybe we will. If we do then he sadly isn't as clever as he seems.
trevor tiger
11-06-2016
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“Well they do exist - history tells us that. Women who chained themselves to railings fighting for the right to vote, people refusing to sit at the back of the bus because of their skin colour, men fighting for their rights with regard to fatherhood - all social justice warriors.

The definition is ""Social justice warrior" (commonly abbreviated SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual promoting socially progressive views; including feminism, civil rights, multiculturalism, [citation needed] political correctness, and identity politics."

Unfortunately the term itself has become an insult to be thrown at people who are doing something you don't like or don't agree with (you in general terms, not you specifically ).

I fight for justice for disabled people, that would make me a social justice warrior I suppose and I'm happy to say that I am. I just feel sad for anybody that would see that as a bad thing.”

Yes that is what I meant. I have never heard or seen the term used in a positive way only a disparaging way.

PS As for Andrew I have a real soft spot for him. He intrigues me and I'm pleased he has gone into the main house but it is difficult to divorce these feelings for him from what he has expressed in his tweets. I guess I'll just judge him on how he is in the House and thus far he has come across as a great HM.
erin_p
13-06-2016
bbspy ‏@bbspy
Andrew's ejection will be addressed on Big Brother's Bit On The Side tonight at 11.00pm on Channel 5 and 3E #BBUK #BBBOTS
Lushness
13-06-2016
Oh way to go to get everyone to watch SOT. Well sorry no I won't be watching, it's not that serious.

Besides it will be soon be flagged up on here....
Miss.D
13-06-2016
Originally Posted by honeythewitch:
“I thought they had people to research this sort of thing?”

That's what I thought. Surely they would check these things BEFORE accepting them to avoid this type of thing happening. Unless there's another reason for him being ejected.
erin_p
13-06-2016
bbspy ‏@bbspy
C5 says Andrew's Big Brother ejection WASN'T due to his "master plan" OR Tweets, but separate information that "came to light today" #BBUK
cavalli
13-06-2016
Originally Posted by erin_p:
“bbspy ‏@bbspy
C5 says Andrew's Big Brother ejection WASN'T due to his "master plan" OR Tweets, but separate information that "came to light today" #BBUK”

Eurgh, what is the point of them making meaningless statements like that - either tell us the full story or STFU BB
Lushness
13-06-2016
Sorry for the DM link

Quote:
“BREAKING NEWS: Big Brother contestant Andrew Tate has been removed from the house... but it was NOT because of 'racist tweets about Cheryl and ex Ashley Cole'”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...ved-house.html

There's not much else in the article though
All_seeing_eye
13-06-2016
Originally Posted by erin_p:
“bbspy ‏@bbspy
Andrew's ejection will be addressed on Big Brother's Bit On The Side tonight at 11.00pm on Channel 5 and 3E #BBUK #BBBOTS”

Thanks as usual.
erin_p
13-06-2016
Originally Posted by All_seeing_eye:
“Thanks as usual.”

Andrew has been removed from the Big Brother House
Channel 5 and Big Brother have become aware that Andrew Tate has posted a statement on Facebook about the circumstances of his departure from the Big Brother House. What Andrew says in that statement is completely false.
http://bigbrother.channel5.com/andre...-brother-house
Jules_Thornley
13-06-2016
Ah that's a shame. He made it interesting. Going to be more like a porno/love in now. Yawn.
His tweets were awful. But then if they aren't saying it was about that.. bit puzzled.
Dix
13-06-2016
Originally Posted by Firespire:
“I find them a shocking, I didn't think they allowed people like that on BB.

I'll put a few of them in spoiler tags in case people don't want to see them

https://twitter.com/Cobratate/status/245548182912778240
Spoiler
@ChiaraRomano89 Drakes shit. Whines all the time and looks like he has down symdrome. "gay love, im a cock. square root of the gaybar is 69"


https://twitter.com/Cobratate/status/153299385562836992
Spoiler
they are teaching gay issues to 7-yr old kids. BY LAW. A pure homosexual can not reproduce, so they need your children for new partners. OK


https://twitter.com/Cobratate/status/166249170116689920
Spoiler
I am genuinely better than all of you. All you blacks white and chinky bastards. And PAKIS. "oh i run curry shop im richings" your a ****.


https://twitter.com/Cobratate/status/141994401579806720
Spoiler
The racist lady on the train is right.


https://twitter.com/Cobratate/status/243823988705484800
Spoiler
Cheryl cole is a massive wog socket
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Gracious, did he really say all that! How he managed to get into BB is beyond me! Or maybe they wanted someone to shock viewers! I expect he thinks he's perfect!
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