I agree that everyone is certainly entitled to their own preferences. Nobody knows that more than me - I won't even date someone who cannot appreciate music lol. But, having said that, there are often unchallenged prejudices and faulty reasoning behind why we have the preferences that we do. To have a discussion about it benefits all concerned

Hmm... I'm not sure there is any data to show that these days men and now killing women simply for telling them no more than in the past There has always been and always will be mental people who murder, but no matter how bad you think today's society is, I'm pretty sure that murding people for that reason is rare and frowned upon by society.

The guy who was the son of the hollywood director, Elliot Rodger, shot up a college campus after being rejected by women and not being able to score the stereotypical blonde blonde bombshell, before he shot himself.

There was another instance where a man shot a woman for telling him no, she was not interested and had a boyfriend.

Then there was that tragic prom story, where they guy asked the teenage girl to go to prom with him. She said no, so he stabbed her. (I think it was a stabbing, but regardless he killed her)

It is not as rare as we would all like to believe. When you have one sex in control, things get out of hand. There are entitlement issues, aggression issues. Toxic masculinity is another issue, where the standards of masculinity - which are set by men themselves - is an actual detriment to either the physical, but mostly psychological health of men.

Women are not killing men for rejecting them, and although rare for men to kill women for rejecting them, it is happening, so we have to take a look at things and figure out why. I believe misogyny has a place at the table when discussing why it is happening.

PS: I glad you could appreciate my sense of sense and reason, in my previous post

Not denying it happens today, but it always has. We just have a worldwide media these days where every story it reported and can be accessed whenever on whatever platform. It certainly makes you think these things are happening all the time.

I must have edited my other post after you responded. But I will reiterate what I said there. It certainly is a rare thing. But we are not hearing about women killing men for rejecting them. We are only hearing about men killing women for their right to say no, they are not interested. So we have to take a look at that and figure out why. I believe misogyny has a place at the table when discussing why it is happening. How big of a place? That's up for debate.

PS: I glad you could appreciate my sense of sense and reason, in my previous post

Single men and women have sex with as many other single people as you like. I don't see why there should be any difference between the sexes.

Men and women who cheat now in my view those are not sluts obviously, just assholes.

My view on this one.

The whole hall pass situation that Marco has talked about has shown me where he is in terms of his maturity levels, as well as his fiancee's mindset and maturity levels. Marco appears to be extremely immature, but he is only twenty. With that situation, I can't even think of him as an asshole cheater, because I think it is a case of him and his gf being young and sifting through the experiences of life so that they can find out who they are and what they truly want in terms of growth. I hope we get to see him mature some on the show.

To be fair IF two people decide they are in an 'open' relationship. Personally I don't see that as cheating. I didn't mean those situations.

If you really want to deconstruct societal norms they one could argue that marriage and being in a couple is as normal/abnormal as being in a relationship with 8 people, all living and making love to each other on a whim.

Glad you enjoyed that perspective

What ever adults decide between them is 'normal' for them. It's fine by me. All within the law of course.

@JP761, I know you didn't mean that situation. But I though I would piggyback into the topic anyway lol.

@didgital_spy, yes, we certainly could deconstruct that societal norm. With Marco though, I feel like it might possibly have more to do with him and his world being this edgy, outside-of-the-box- thinking-makes-me-a-cool-cat type thing, rather than out of anything else. Do you think he would have given his gf a hall pass? Maybe the gf gave him the pass because she did not want to be shown up on TV, hence telling him to have at it so it looks like she is not being taken for a fool? The fact that they were monogamous prior to him going into the house - but then she gave him the pass after finding out that he was going into the house, may be telling. All of these possibilities

I agree

I really fail to understand why people think it's different for men and women. Who are these women men sleep with for example?

A real man is one who has no issue with a woman's sexual history.

Now does a guy always have to be the one doing piggybacks. ? Lets start that topic. Joking.

Yep, I reckon he's seen some American movies where a 'hall pass' is a thing and probably his gf also wanted to be seem as chilled out and cool, so went with it.

LOL! Not in my relationships. I'm a bit of a midget - five foot two or four - so my gf's are usually taller. They give the piggybacks, if they know what's good for them lmao

Took the words straight out of my mouth with his gf possibly wanting to get away from that stereotypical image of the 'stressy' girlfriend. I wondered about the phrasing that he used too. Hall pass is very typically American highschool. It is usually just 'free pass,' for more mature couples, which was another piece of evidence to support where his mindset is with it all.

I hope we get to hear from the gf on bots or something. Let's see how she deals with it, because sometimes when women say one thing, they mean another thing completely lol. He did not wait one second before he started looking to get busy with other women in the house, so I am wondering how his fiancee is fairing, despite whatever cool projection she may be giving off.

My husband of nearly 30 years has been given a free pass if Gwen Stefani ever comes knocking...

You can comfort Blake while your husband "Rogers" Gwen.

Well as long as you are using 'free pass,' and not 'hall pass,' it's ok by me lmao :P

LOL!

All is fair in the world of piggybacks. Well until science may come into it there will be a limit any person can carry that's fact.

Does giving someone a free pass not cheapen the whole point of a monogamous relationship? If they both agree to it fair enough, but I wonder if one of then had a one-off affair whether they would feel less guilt as they can convince themselves its just the equivalent of thier free pass?

All is fair as long as I'M not being made to give any lol (Though I have given some in the past. I almost feel like we have said piggyback so many times, that it is some sort of sordid euphemism for something else :P)

@didgital_spy, that's why I brought up the point about them previously having had a monogamous relationship. That was their default, and Marco going onto big brother changed that, which means that was not their 'natural' inclination. To me, it cheapens it for sure. But then we have no history records on their relationship. For all we know, he told his girlfriend that she had a free pass to do whatever she wanted if he could have one, but he just hasn't said it. As long as both people are on the same page, it should work in theory. But theory doesn't always work out.

I see what you mean when you ask that question. Yes, it is a tricky one, because where does one draw the line? This is why communication is so freaking important in relationships. It seems that the line for Marco and his gf is the Big Brother walls. But once you've done that, what is to say that you would not stray and say, 'well, what does it matter? You gave me a free pass before, and watched me try to get with women on TV.'

I think this may be another reason why people seem to favor monogamy. The rules of it are clear and defined. Plus, human beings are fiercely tribal.