So we can't mention blacks.

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viewer123

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by Bless You:
“Disagree with you all.

The point is why mention a colour in the first instant, it's not necessary and Natalie had every right to feel pissed off.”

which one is Natalie?

All_seeing_eye

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by viewer123:
“which one is Natalie?”

The dark skinned loud women.

rhizo_mania

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by viewer123:
“which one is Natalie?”

She's the old one

Spidey1

10-06-2016

The loud old black woman

sutie

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Do you not see how the insinuation that the black carers were lovely despite being Nigerian isn't at the very least patronising?”

If I recall correctly the word 'despite' wasn't used though.

george.millman

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by rhizo_mania:
“She's the old one ”

Why are you mentioning an age? Why can't you explain who Natalie is without resorting to ageism? Jesus Christ!

(In case there's any confusion, I'm being very sarcastic.)

All_seeing_eye

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by george.millman:
“Why are you mentioning an age? Why can't you explain who Natalie is without resorting to ageism? Jesus Christ!

(In case there's any confusion, I'm being very sarcastic.) ”

Jayne is the older women, she's white and is friends with the Chelsea bloke, who happens to be a gentleman of colour.

cavalli

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by Mint-Opinion:
“Because Jaynes mother was accused of being racist towards her black career!”

Don't mention the B word, FFS!

sherisgirl

10-06-2016

I am watching on +1 what a load of b******s that was talk about over reacting

pie-eyed

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by Bless You:
“Disagree with you all.

The point is why mention a colour in the first instant, it's not necessary and Natalie had every right to feel pissed off.”

It was completely in context. She was unhappy that the home or wherever had put that her mother was unhappy with black people because it wasn't the case and she has other black carers without problem. Natalie is trying to cause an issue. If Laura is given a warning for this I will not be happy. She did nothing wrong. I'm glad Ryan defended Laura.

pie-eyed

10-06-2016

I mean jane, obviously, not Laura.

Purves Grundy

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by pie-eyed:
“It was completely in context. She was unhappy that the home or wherever had put that her mother was unhappy with black people because it wasn't the case and she has other black carers without problem. Natalie is trying to cause an issue. If Laura is given a warning for this I will not be happy. She did nothing wrong. I'm glad Ryan defended Laura.”

Natalie was annoyed (quite justifiably) because Jayne mentioned that her carers were black and from Nigeria, and they were 'lovely' in a very patronising manner. The implication being that this would be some sort of surprise, hence Natalie's "we're not aliens' comment.

~V~

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by Concretepigsy:
“It's people like Natalie who look everywhere to be offended where no offence exists. It belittles people who are genuine victims of racism. Can I assume that all conversations regarding skin colour have to run past her first to see if she will be offended. People like her stifle debate about racism”

Well said.

Annsyre

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by willywonker:
“Massive over reaction from her.”

And massive boos from the crowd Serves her right.

All_seeing_eye

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“And massive boos from the crowd Serves her right.”

Good, hope she takes the boos on board.

Annsyre

10-06-2016

Laura is in the main house

~V~

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“And massive boos from the crowd Serves her right.”

And she looked around all innocently

Annsyre

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by viewer123:
“which one is Natalie?”

The ranting irrational dominatrix.

NicoleRich

10-06-2016

Gone off Natalie.

sutie

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by All_seeing_eye:
“Good, hope she takes the boos on board.”

I very much doubt that she will. She'll probably take the line that all of those that booed are also racist.

yogacats

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by Bless You:
“Disagree with you all.

The point is why mention a colour in the first instant, it's not necessary and Natalie had every right to feel pissed off.”

Self edited. Post below sums up situation perfectly.

yogacats

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by george.millman:
“It wasn't about the fact that the carer was black, it was about how her mother had been branded as a racist.

Her mother had been abused by a carer who happened to be black. As a result, it had gone on her care notes that she had a problem with black people. Jayne was angry about that, because her mother would never have a problem with black people generally, she had a problem with a single carer who did badly, and by chance happened to be black. If the carer hadn't been black, her mother would have had just as much a problem with that person - and as proof, she brings up the fact that there is another black carer that her mother gets on really well with.

The point of that conversation was not Jayne's opinion of black people, it was about her indignation that her mother had been branded as racist when she hadn't been. It is impossible to talk about that without mentioning that the abusive carer was black. Natalie just jumped on the defensive. I can't believe there is even any debate around this.”

Perfectly put

Purves Grundy

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by sutie:
“If I recall correctly the word 'despite' wasn't used though.”

True, but why consider the 'niceness' of the Nigerian carer worthy of being mentioned in the first place?

george.millman

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by yogacats:
“Perfectly put ”

Thank you so much

loddellbosh

10-06-2016

Natalie overreacted big time. She admitted herself in the DR that she didn't hear the whole conversation, but it didn't stop her from jumping to conclusions.

The conversation was about racism. Andrew had used the word black first because his mother is black and was talking about racism she and his white father had received. Jayne then started talking about her mother being accused of 'not getting along with black people' because she had been abused by carers, who happened to be black.

Originally Posted by Purves Grundy:
“True, but why consider the 'niceness' of the Nigerian carer worthy of being mentioned in the first place?”

I think because she had mentioned that her mother's carers were black and had abused her, she didn't want ignorant people to call her racist and claim she was saying all black carers are abusive. Imagine the meltdown on here if she hadn't said that about the nice carers.

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