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Group B: England v Russia - KO 8pm, ITV1/HD
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Xela M
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by jlp95bwfc:
“Kane taking corners just takes the biscuit. It's infuriating. Do Roy and the coaches have any sense whatsoever? He's the PL top scorer and clearly our best chance of scoring a goal. Not just that but isn't it blatantly obvious that they will come under huge criticism from the media/fans etc and just pile the pressure on themselves when they make such bizarre choices such as this. I wouldn't mind if his set piece delivery was any good but it was dire in the friendly and again last night.”

I just can't understand the thinking behind this seems like an insane choice. Does Kane take corners for Spurs?!
batdude_uk1
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“Russia are an AWFUL team just like they were 2 years ago. Not to win against them was a terrible result for England. It's not like they drew 1-1 with Germany, France or Spain. I'd be surprised if there were many/any weaker teams than Russia at this tournament.

P.S. I've asked this before, but can people who defend Hodgson please explain to me why Kane is taking set pieces?!????? Wtf is that all about?! Not only is he terrible at them, surely it reduces England's chances to score if their main striker is not in the box! Also, why was Vardy not playing?”

It is madness, we had this with LvG and Phil Jones taking corners.

Surely if you play wingers, or wide players, part of their job description is to put crosses into the box, so why when they have a clearly defined opportunity to do so unimpeded via a corner, would you put someone else, whose job it usually is to be on the end of those crosses, to take the crosses instead???

It just makes no sense whatsoever, just allow the players to do their jobs, and stop trying to over-complicate things, and trying to seem like a tactical genius, when it is anything but.
Fudd
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“Russia are an AWFUL team just like they were 2 years ago. Not to win against them was a terrible result for England. It's not like they drew 1-1 with Germany, France or Spain. I'd be surprised if there were many/any weaker teams than Russia at this tournament.

P.S. I've asked this before, but can people who defend Hodgson please explain to me why Kane is taking set pieces?!????? Wtf is that all about?! Not only is he terrible at them, surely it reduces England's chances to score if their main striker is not in the box! Also, why was Vardy not playing?”

Because he didn't suit the formation - we picked Kane and, up to last night, Kane had performed reasonably well in an England shirt, corners aside. Why on Earth we didn't switch them when it was obvious Kane was off his game I have no idea.
Xela M
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Because he didn't suit the formation - we picked Kane and, up to last night, Kane had performed reasonably well in an England shirt, corners aside. Why on Earth we didn't switch them when it was obvious Kane was off his game I have no idea.”

Yes, I understand that Kane was first choice over Vardy, but he should have definitely brought Vardy on last night! I cannot understand his decision not to. A second goal would have sealed this
jlp95bwfc
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“I just can't understand the thinking behind this seems like an insane choice. Does Kane take corners for Spurs?!”

No I heard a stat that Kane has only taken 7 or 8 corners all season for Spurs.
codeblue
12-06-2016
its just yet another problem with roy hodgson.

get one of your best headers to take the corners

madness. is kane any good at taking them, is he particularly brilliant?
Xela M
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“its just yet another problem with roy hodgson.

get one of your best headers to take the corners

madness. is kane any good at taking them, is he particularly brilliant?”

Evidently not.

I mean I'm not big fan of Rooney's set piece ability, but he's got to be a better choice than Kane, surely!
Tourista
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by swingaleg:
“also it struck me that when you go one nil up is the time to bring Vardy on not a defensive midfielder to 'shore things up'.................the other team will be coming at you . That's when Vardy can win you the game or at least force them to commit fewer players up front or keep tem 20 yards further back”

Agreed.

Was shouting at the TV when he put on Milner.

Also have to agree with those who wonder why Kane (who I take it is still a striker?) took the corners. To me it makes no sense whatsoever.
Croctacus
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by grimtales1:
“WTF was Roy doing making Kane take corners? ”

I doubt he was making him. He takes corners for Spurs too so it's not like he's new to it.
jlp95bwfc
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by Croctacus:
“I doubt he was making him. He takes corners for Spurs too so it's not like he's new to it.”

There's a difference between "He takes corners for Spurs" and "He has taken the odd corner for Spurs over the course of the season".

Quite simply he shouldn't be England's main corner taker.
shaneomax
12-06-2016
Bizarre that hes asking Kane to take the corners. We have so many others who can take a corner, maybe it was part of a some weird strategy, either way Roy needs to sort HIS decisions out. I really wondered why he took off Rooney at 1-0 with still 25 mins to go.
Mandark
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by shaneomax:
“Bizarre that hes asking Kane to take the corners. We have so many others who can take a corner, maybe it was part of a some weird strategy, either way Roy needs to sort HIS decisions out. I really wondered why he took off Rooney at 1-0 with still 25 mins to go.”

Wonder if Rooney's got a muscle strain. Made no sense to us but Rooney didn't sulk or protest.
Mandark
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“Yes, I understand that Kane was first choice over Vardy, but he should have definitely brought Vardy on last night! I cannot understand his decision not to. A second goal would have sealed this”

I said earlier in the thread that Kane was similar in the Euro U21s last year. Snatched at chances and struggled to make an impact. He's not a tournament striker yet. In retrospect starting with Sturridge might have made more sense and then bringing on Kane or Vardy when he got crocked.
batdude_uk1
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by Mandark:
“Wonder if Rooney's got a muscle strain. Made no sense to us but Rooney didn't sulk or protest.”

I don't think he is that type of player to make a fuss to come off injury or not.
The Turk
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by Mandark:
“I said earlier in the thread that Kane was similar in the Euro U21s last year. Snatched at chances and struggled to make an impact. He's not a tournament striker yet. In retrospect starting with Sturridge might have made more sense and then bringing on Kane or Vardy when he got crocked.”

Can't disagree with your analysis there but what do you mean by him not being a tournament striker? I hear that expression used all the time about certain players but I really don't see how or why Kane would find it harder to score in a tournament match than in the Premier League.
The Turk
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I don't think he is that type of player to make a fuss to come off injury or not.”

Not anymore anyway. He (Rooney) seems to have mellowed a lot in recent years.
gomezz
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by Mandark:
“Wonder if Rooney's got a muscle strain. Made no sense to us but Rooney didn't sulk or protest.”

My reading was that it was predetermined (assuming England were in a winning position) to give Wilshere game time to get him back up to match speed.
Stilton Cheesew
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“It will be an almighty task to beat Wales, as not only isn't a local derby, they are top and we are playing catch-up to them,”

Nope, not even close to reality.
shaneomax
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by Mandark:
“Wonder if Rooney's got a muscle strain. Made no sense to us but Rooney didn't sulk or protest.”

Hope not, we need leaders out there and he was arguably our best player.
gemma-the-husky
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“It will be an almighty task to beat Wales, as not only isn't a local derby, they are top and we are playing catch-up to them, but they have a genuine world class player, we don't have anyone as good as Bale.




What are you on about, my opinion has not changed.”

One world class player is enough, often. Bale, I mean. A half fit Suarez was enough for Uruguay in the world cup.
batdude_uk1
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“Nope, not even close to reality.”

Which part was not close to reality??

It being a local derby?

Wales being top?

Us playing catch-up to them??

To me that is all true.
batdude_uk1
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by gemma-the-husky:
“One world class player is enough, often. Bale, I mean. A half fit Suarez was enough for Uruguay in the world cup.”

Yup, and these players tend to more often than note turn up when it matters most, hence why they are classed and regarded as highly as they are.
FMKK
12-06-2016
Good players are good.
Hayden
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“It will be an almighty task to beat Wales, as not only isn't a local derby, they are top and we are playing catch-up to them, but they have a genuine world class player, we don't have anyone as good as Bale.”

We should be beating Wales all day long.

I'm not having this flight of fancy either that Coleman is some sort of tactical colussus while Hodgson is a complete bozo.
Mandark
12-06-2016
Originally Posted by The Turk:
“Can't disagree with your analysis there but what do you mean by him not being a tournament striker? I hear that expression used all the time about certain players but I really don't see how or why Kane would find it harder to score in a tournament match than in the Premier League.”

I just think that for England players tournaments add an extra level of pressure that affects their game. I don't think Kane is mature enough yet to deal with it yet.
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