But that means we would be disqualfied from the tournament by now because England fans dont behave themselves when they go abroad

True though the Germans made a genuine effort to make it a reality a few decades ago but it was not to be.

Lol what?!?!?! Do you not know what Russia did to Poland in WWII? Historically, the only people Poles hate more than the Germans are Russians! Religion is the LAST problem those countries have with each other.

And Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union, not Russia. Only Crimea was historically a part of Russia. But it is true that Russia felt most connected to Ukraine and felt bad about losing it (a feeling which is definitely not mutual among the normal Ukrainians). Kiev is also a centre for the Orthodox church, but religion really means very little for Russians.

Jesus wept, this excuse making for the poor England fans is all over the media too. The BBC made them sound like flippin' martyrs. They picked the wrong fight when they decided to take on the Russians.

Only hope that UEFA don't ban them before Wales get the chance to beat them on the pitch on Thursday and put them out that way.

Well certainly no England fans can be blamed for anything that happened inside the ground so maybe that is where you heard the media talk about them being innocent?

I would suggest that the poster has a fairly obvious agenda.

Wales can't put them out on Thursday too, more bad news.

I was listening to Talksport earlier and a couple pof their reporters at the scene were saying the English were beered up and obnoxious with their singing and chanting but weren't looking for fight, and it was started by some locals and then the Russians who had come tooled up ready and organised, some wearing England tops - they flew to Switzerland then hired cars to get to France so they could smuggle in their equipment, and some cars from the Ukraine were stopped and searched and weapons etc were found. Apparently the French police didn't help much and tear gassed everyone - even Vardy's Mrs got tear gassed.

It's not just the English that are causing the trouble and it's not all the English fans that are involved it's just a minority, but the majority are getting blamed and tarred with the same brush as usual by the media, and no I am not excusing the behaviour of any of the drunken violent thugs all those involved are scum and deserve whatever punishment the authorities give them.

Yep, obviously WWII, and the soviet occupation is a major factor.


Not true, part of Ukraine came under Russian control in 1667, and by the late 18th century most of it bar the west tip, which was under Austrian control was firmly in the Russian Empire. I'd also question the religion point- obviously under Communism it was suppressed, but it is undergoing a major resurgence under Putin, and historically was a very significant part of the Russian mindset.

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There is a lot of consistency with the involvement of the English either being instigators or responders to these types of activities.

I wasn't believing for a second what the media was reporting about 'Russians targeting & attacking the English and that the English were innocent victims'...they bring it on themselves as far as i'm concerned. And our history abroad (even at home) is appalling. Must be something with the culture and/or mentality. I do not blame alcohol.

You see how other fans from other nations get on well with each other, and then you see and hear what we are involved in, and it just makes you weap, and wish that we could have a nice sing song etc as well, without the constant threat that it could turn ugly and violent seemingly at a moments notice.

Northern Ireland, Poland, Germany and Ukraine have all been involved in violence besides Russia & England. The likely difference between all these and the likes of Sweden or Wales is a lack of local Arab or Russian gangs attacking them.

We will get on with most other nations too. The combination of playing against Russia, in Marseille, and with our past reputation, was a horrible mix. There is unlikely to be any trouble when we play non aggressive countries in non aggressive cities. There hasn't been much trouble with England fans at tournaments for years now.

It is astonishing that no Russian fans have been arrested. Why is this?

Russian police probably haven't identified them and the thugs probably slip away when the police turn up in numbers. We need to poleaxe one of them so we can ID him and then work out who his associates are!

You're right of course, that explains why the Poles might hate the Russians but jzee was answering my question on whether the Russians feel the same about the Poles and if so, why. Russia has done plenty to upset Poland in recent times but Poland hasn't done anything to upset Russia as far as I know so if some Russians do hate Poles for reasons other than religion I'd like to hear it.

Speaking of which, have any of the mainstream news outlets actually reported on those incidents you mention which didn't involve England or Russia fans? I've yet to hear the BBC or ITV mention the incident between the French, N.Irish and Polish fans from a couple of days ago or so and only a very brief mention of last night's clash between the Germans and Ukrainians on tonight's BBC broadcast.
Do I keep missing these incidents being mentioned by the mainstream media or are they keeping quiet about them and if so, why?!

Because it doesn't suit a narrative, so it has no real value. Take for example the recent shooting in America, its very sad, but equally sad is that over the world this happens often. You didnt hear about the mass school shooting in Kenya by Muslim extremists because it suits no agenda or narrative, plus they are not white. It only matters when it has some notion of a story attached to it, in some way it can draw people in. If I said some fans had a scrap, from Turkey and Ukraine, most people would feel nothing as they have little or no connection with them. Also those two nations have no real history with each other in recent times from our perspective.

Why do you always post such utter rubbish?

The answer is simple they are not English that's why.

They obviously have been reported. I have only watched ITV, BBC and listened to 5Live and I heard about all these incidents.

But not to the same extent that's for sure.

Russia have been given a "suspended disqualification" penalty and fine:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/...linkname=sport