This will be the last comment I make on this as this thread should be about Northern Ireland football team and their amazing achievement of making it to France, rather than these stupid, petty squabbles over politics.
Originally Posted by Black Hugh:
“The IFA through its use of the Ulster Banner and the anthem place the support within the Unionist community. You may well know a handful of Catholics who attend but so what. There are a handful of Protestants who go to GAA games also.”
Let's immediately hit this myth on the head - the Ulster Banner is not used by the IFA to market the team. You won't find it on official merchandise. The Northern Ireland badge is in the shape of a Celtic cross. The official colours of the national team are green and white, hence GAWA. There are a wide variety of flags adopted by supporters - I've seen Union Jacks, the Ulster flag, green flags, green and white flags and various other versions of these. Moreover it's worth remembering that the Ulster flag is, in fact, the official flag of Northern Ireland, and this is therefore the only time it is used. Lastly, the flag, despite some unfortunate associations with loyalism (much like the tricolour with Republicanism), actually represents a county which covers the North AND South. Ulster is composed of 9 counties, 6 of which are in the Republic. Taking issue with it flying at a Northern Ireland match as a "sectarian" symbol is therefore a very strange position to adopt indeed.
Secondly, the anthem. I actually agree with you on this; it is a bit of a sore point, not just for nationalists, but for the growing percentage of the population (25% at the last election) who don't identify themselves as Irish or British, but rather Northern Irish. Those people, of which I count myself as one, would like to see us have our own anthem. Several fan polls have suggested that the majority of Northern Ireland fans would be happy to see it changed. However, this is unlikely to happen anytime soon, and it is largely due to a stale-mate between the IFA and the government - the IFA say it's the government's duty to adopt a new anthem, while the government say it's down to the IFA. The problem is that the DUP don't want GSTQ changed because it's British and all that, while Sinn Fein secretly don't want it changed either, because it further legitimises being Northern Irish as a new identity, as opposed to choosing whether you're British or Irish. Putting all that to one side, let's not forget that the anthem is only sung at the very start of the match!
Originally Posted by Black Hugh:
“The media like to pump out the view that the NI team represents us all. Utter BS. If you go into a Nationalist area today you won't find any flags or people wearing NI tops. Bars won't be full of people supporting them either. I live in a Nationalist area and people here mainly support the Republic. Thats the reality whether you want to believe it or not.”
And if you go to a loyalist area you'll see people supporting Northern Ireland. If you get up in the morning you'll see the sun rise too.
If, however, you go to one of the 90% of places in Northern Ireland that
isn't segregated along sectarian lines you'll see that most people get on fine, with the majority supporting Northern Ireland and yet also cheering on the Republic.
Besides, whether you support NI or ROI isn't really the point I was challenging you on. You said that the NI football team doesn't
represent half of the community - a point that is demonstrably false to anyone without a sectarian or political agenda.
Originally Posted by Black Hugh:
“The GAA have teams that represent counties. Do Unionists in Armagh for example feel represented by them considering the Soldiers Song is sung before Inter county matches and the Tricolour is flown. If not they must be sectarian also based on your logic.”
The GAA by its very name and definition is an association aimed at Nationalists and Republicans. They aim to support Gaelic, traditional Irish sports. In their own rulebook it says - "The Association shall actively support the Irish language, traditional Irish dancing, music, song, and other aspects of Irish culture".
The idea, therefore, that they could accurately represent anyone who doesn't consider themselves Irish, is nonsense. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but the comparisons with football are silly.
And for what it's worth, if I were a Unionist living in Armagh, I'd still want my local GAA team to win!