Originally Posted by Dixon:
“My opinion is he is a very talented player and great at a certain level and has achieved a lot at a certain level. But, no, i do not consider him to be a true great the way a Pele, Maradona and others were. The term ''great'' is one of the most wildly overused terms in sport.
At international tournament level, Maradona could do what he did at club level. He could do that WITHOUT the help of his team mates. He could get the ball, run at defences and tear them apart, scoring and creating goals galore. Ronaldo has never been able to do that, so lets please end this argument about him being up there with the greats who could reproduce their great club form at this level.
Jimmy White was a huge talent and had more natural talent than Steve Davis, but only one of them was a truly great player.”
And your confusion continues.
Its a shame that you forget what you say almost immediately you say it in order to justify your irrational likes or dislikes.
Allow us to recap. In the discussion about Mourinho - someone you disliked, you state that winning trophies is not the mark of greatness. Yes Mourinho may have won trophies but where was the style you asked. Thats what people remember you said. Brazil 82, Holland 74 and 78, now they were greats. The fact they didn't win the World Cup didn't matter because they were stylish.
Now we have Ronaldo, a man who has broken every record around and an undoubtedly stylish footballer, but wait, Dixon doesn't like Ronaldo much so hang on, lets have a change of tack, suddenly this doesn't matter and he can't be a great UNLESS he wins the world cup. Suddenly the trophy matters.Style and romance is dead its the bottom line that matters. So much so that in your ham fisted attempt to liken it to other sports you use Steve Davis and Jimmy White as the example . Jimmy White the footballing equivalent of Holland in 74 or Brazil in 82 suddenly can't be great because he didn't win! Whereas Davis, the very epitome of Jose Mourinho's winning mentality is the only show in town!!!
You have also managed to do this whilst calling Ronaldo a flat track bully. A flat track bully who has won everything imaginable in the biggest contests imaginable against the biggest sides in the world but deserves the title because he didn't beat Iceland and game in which if he had scored a hat trick you would have used do demonstrate why you consider him (wrongly!) to be a flat track bully in the first place!!!
The discussion wasn't about Ronaldo though, it was about the platform used to judge a players greatness however given your total confusion and about turning I think its best left alone.