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Clara is probably my favourite companion. Never got why people disliked her so much.
It's only been one episode without her, but I miss her knowing the show's coming back without her. Bill looks great, though, and it's good to see Jenna doing more work beyond DW. |
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I've seen the first two episodes of Victoria so far and I'm enjoying it.
I can see similarities beteen the relationship between Victoria and Lord Melbourne and the relationship between Clara and the Doctor - the wiser, older man trying to make the impetuous young female do the right thing but being charmed by her feisty personality and twisted round her little finger.
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I'm finding the show pretty fascinating as I actually have zero knowledge of Queen Victoria other than that she married Albert, had a very long reign and is known for the phrase "We are not amused".
That and the fact that the Victorian era in general was known for a certain amount of prudishness when it came to exposed skin, such as ankles, for example. Eve Myles is also in this as one of the staff and there was a nice little bit of Doctor Who irony when they wanted to install gas lighting in the Palace instead of candles. It reminded me of the first Doctor Who episode we saw her in (the Unquiet Dead)! |
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Clara is probably my favourite companion. Never got why people disliked her so much.
Which was a shame as Victorian Clara was a good character. |
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Because she was 'sassy and feisty' (yawn, and didn't she know it) a control freak, lied to everybody and was generally far too full of herself, made to look far too important and took up too much screen time?
Which was a shame as Victorian Clara was a good character. |
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Because she was 'sassy and feisty' (yawn, and didn't she know it) a control freak, lied to everybody and was generally far too full of herself, made to look far too important and took up too much screen time?
Which was a shame as Victorian Clara was a good character. As an aside, I'm finding 'Victoria' difficult to watch because I studied that period of history - as well as the preceding 100 years of Industrial Revolution - at A Level, and I have to stop myself from screaming whenever things like the Bedchamber Crisis and the Chartist Movement are glossed over, or, in the latter' case, re-written outright. it was actually Melbourne's intervention, not Victoria's, which prevented the Chartist leaders being hanged, drawn and quartered. Also, the music is extremely annoying. All those constant 'Hallelujahs'? Even Victoria's most ardent admirers would struggle to argue that she was ever the saviour of a nation. Looking forward to seeing how they tackle the Irish Potato Famine, though - a rare example of the queen's desperation to see something done to alleviate the suffering of her subjects. |
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Jenna's Victoria looks a million miles away from the Miriam Margolyes version of Victoria in Blackadder's Christmas Carol (for me, the definitive image of Victoria
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As an aside, I'm finding 'Victoria' difficult to watch because I studied that period of history - as well as the preceding 100 years of Industrial Revolution - at A Level, and I have to stop myself from screaming whenever things like the Bedchamber Crisis and the Chartist Movement are glossed over, or, in the latter' case, re-written outright. it was actually Melbourne's intervention, not Victoria's, which prevented the Chartist leaders being hanged, drawn and quartered.
I'm absolutely loving this series although it's a little disappointing to hear it's not entirely accurate as the historical stuff is what I'm finding most fascinating. http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-...-itvs-victoria I hadn't even heard of Melbourne or the Chartists so it's still pretty educational even if some of the detail has been amended somewhat. |
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Why an aside? It's the Clara stuff that's off topic on this thread!
I'm absolutely loving this series although it's a little disappointing to hear it's not entirely accurate as the historical stuff is what I'm finding most fascinating. http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-...-itvs-victoria I hadn't even heard of Melbourne or the Chartists so it's still pretty educational even if some of the detail has been amended somewhat. Melbourne's not considered a big hitter politically; the latter half of Voctoria's reign was dominated by Gladstone and Disraeli...personalities as huge as those tend to overshadow everything else. Most people remember Melbourne for Victoria's infatuation with him, and for his wife running off with Lord Byron! |
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Jenna's Victoria looks a million miles away from the Miriam Margolyes version of Victoria in Blackadder's Christmas Carol (for me, the definitive image of Victoria
), but not too dissimilar to the Pauline Collins Doctor Who version. In fact, if you seek out images of the young Pauline you may a bit of a look of Jenna about her.Reading what the writer has to say, the whole point of this series is to get away from the image of the older Victoria and inform people more of her younger years for which I for one am more unfamiliar. Having watching a documentary on her last night, there are a few adjustments to some events as other posters have described but nonetheless she is for me doing a superb job in the role and she does seem to be getting a lot of praise in the media whether you agree it or not.
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As an aside, I'm finding 'Victoria' difficult to watch because I studied that period of history - as well as the preceding 100 years of Industrial Revolution - at A Level, and I have to stop myself from screaming whenever things like the Bedchamber Crisis and the Chartist Movement are glossed over, or, in the latter' case, re-written outright. it was actually Melbourne's intervention, not Victoria's, which prevented the Chartist leaders being hanged, drawn and quartered.
Also, the music is extremely annoying. All those constant 'Hallelujahs'? Even Victoria's most ardent admirers would struggle to argue that she was ever the saviour of a nation. Looking forward to seeing how they tackle the Irish Potato Famine, though - a rare example of the queen's desperation to see something done to alleviate the suffering of her subjects. Quote:
Reading what the writer has to say, the whole point of this series is to get away from the image of the older Victoria and inform people more of her younger years for which I for one am more unfamiliar.
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Agree, I couldn't watch past episode 1 because there was so much that simply wasn't accurate (quite apart from finding Jenna less than inspiring). Why do they do it, the real story was just as dramatic as anything some writer can dream up.
Except there was a major film called Young Victoria covering exactly the same ground just a few years ago which got huge amounts of publicity at the time. It really didn't need to be made again so soon. Writers may get subliminal signals from other people's recent ideas or something, I don't know.
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Good point but not everyone has seen that film. I certainly haven't so it's all new to me.
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Good point but not everyone has seen that film. I certainly haven't so it's all new to me.
![]() To be honest it was only because Jenna was in it that I even considered watching a historical drama. Usually, if it's not sci-fi or fantasy I'm not interested! |
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I noticed it was on TV the other week and wondered if the timing was deliberate to upstage the series
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Not only have I not the seen the film I don't even remember hearing about the film.
To be honest it was only because Jenna was in it that I even considered watching a historical drama. Usually, if it's not sci-fi or fantasy I'm not interested! Usually I watch as little as possible on advert obsessed ITV but thankfully skipping them makes watching it a far more enjoyable experience.
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Been renewed for a second series.
How far into Victoria's reign they can go without having to age Jenna up is the question. She's 30 (I think) playing a 19 year old at the moment so she'll be fine for a while. If they plan on doing the whole of Vic's reign though they might need to dig out the makeup Jenna used in Last Christmas.
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Been renewed for a second series.
How far into Victoria's reign they can go without having to age Jenna up is the question. She's 30 (I think) playing a 19 year old at the moment so she'll be fine for a while. If they plan on doing the whole of Vic's reign though they might need to dig out the makeup Jenna used in Last Christmas. ![]() It's the same with Matt Smith in The Crown. That is due to go on for a few series, but Phil was balding from quite an dearly age, whereas Matt at the moment is sporting quite the quiff!! I'm enjoying it. But I agree. I'd rather have a bit more of the actual events re: the chartists etc. I must have done the same A Level History syllabus! they could easily have cut out all the dull downstairs servants nonsense and put that in. |
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I think by the time Victoria was 30, she looked much older than Jenna does now, and was probably a bit more portly, due to the 9 kids and all that!
It's the same with Matt Smith in The Crown. That is due to go on for a few series, but Phil was balding from quite an dearly age, whereas Matt at the moment is sporting quite the quiff!! I'm enjoying it. But I agree. I'd rather have a bit more of the actual events re: the chartists etc. I must have done the same A Level History syllabus! they could easily have cut out all the dull downstairs servants nonsense and put that in.
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I noticed it was on TV the other week and wondered if the timing was deliberate to upstage the series
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Timing was deliberate, but upstaging? Wasn't the channel in question ITV3? They'd be upstaging themselves!
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I quite fancy seeI g the film. ITV 3 repeat everything so hope it's on again. Apparently it's quite good so probably done to whet the appetite for the series.
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I think by the time Victoria was 30, she looked much older than Jenna does now, and was probably a bit more portly, due to the 9 kids and all that!
But it does seem like quite a bit of dramatic licence has been taken with Victoria's story. Today's Scottish Sunday Post has a 2-page article on the historical accuracy of the programme comparing the "reel" with the "real" (clever) and it seems inadvisable to use the programme as the basis for an A-level essay on QV. I'm thinking writer Daisy Goodwin may have only got a D in O-level history.
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Not sure they made much effort to make Jenna look like the 19 year old Victoria other than give her contact lenses to make her brown eyes look blue.
But it does seem like quite a bit of dramatic licence has been taken with Victoria's story. Today's Scottish Sunday Post has a 2-page article on the historical accuracy of the programme comparing the "reel" with the "real" (clever) and it seems inadvisable to use the programme as the basis for an A-level essay on QV. I'm thinking writer Daisy Goodwin may have only got a D in O-level history. ![]() Louise Jameson in reverse! Jenna seems like a nice lass so even though historical drama plus royalty is not my thing at all, nice to hear it's been a success and got another run. |
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Amusing bit of dialogue from Pyramids of Mars given which Victoria Sarah jokes about. Quote:
DOCTOR: Hello, Vicky.
SARAH: What? DOCTOR: Hmm? Where did you get that dress? SARAH: I just told you. I found it back there in the wardrobe. Why, don't you like it? DOCTOR: Yes. Yes, I always did. Victoria wore it. She travelled with me for a time. SARAH: Well, as long as Albert didn't wear it. |
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The episodes I've seen have been very enjoyable. The costumes and hairstyles have been of the time so they must have done a lot of researching to get it just right. There's also an interesting rapport between Queen Victoria and Albert, the silly arguments and then the making up after.
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