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Are they Setting Georgina up for the first eviction?
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Annsyre
14-06-2016
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“I don't get the love for her. Seems up herself and has an air of superiority and thinks she's better than everyone else. Not my cup of tea.”

She's certainly superior to quite a few of the sex workers in there. imo.
CLL Dodge
14-06-2016
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Anyway, I think Georgina's popularity illustrates one of the ways views of HMs often make more sense if they're seen as 'backwards'. That is, rather than people liking Georgina because of the various things they (now) mention, the liking came first and then shaped views of the 'various things'. (Notice, for instance, Georgina's behind-backs bitching being seen as "hilarious moaning" above.) We can also see dislike for certain other HMs (Marco, Emma) being translated into popularity for Georgine, so that much of her popularity is the flip-side of that dislike.”

I recall you being an Ashleigh fan a couple of years ago, a housemate who would be a Nobel Prize winner among "behind-backs bitching" and "hilarious moaning".

Which to my eyes proves your point about liking coming first.

I'm well aware that I switch equivalent teams over the years. I was (and remain) a huge fan of the original Marco and his LipGloss Bitches, their running around playing silly games, leaving a mess, singing of showtunes, naked jacuzziness, etc. This year's Marco (who I detest) seems to be adopting/copying the same antics and has his harem of followers (Emma, Laura and Evelyn). Georgina is thus pushed into the Vanessa role, with her Jungle Cats (Alex and Jackson) stuck in this year's bedsit scenario.
Seymour
14-06-2016
Imo Georgina seem one of the few near normal people in there this year....
Hershey2
14-06-2016
I think Georgina is quite funny, hope she stays in.
Moomin STFC
14-06-2016
I hope not, I love Georgina, and some of her oneliners are hilarious.

I love that she's ordinary.

And the irony - the twin moaning about someone moaning!!
george.millman
14-06-2016
Originally Posted by Veri:
“I'm not quite sure what you have in mind with Deana as an example, because you say 'deserving' comes from who they're compared with, but you don't compare Deana with anyone. Did you intend an implicit comparison between Deana and Georgina, perhaps one in which Deana was seen as less deserving because she wouldn't have done so well if not for the bullying?”

I guess I meant that there isn't really a clear-cut way of determining whether a Housemate 'deserves' popularity, because their actions are viewed differently by the public at large depending on who they're in the House with and what the situation in. Whilst I personally really liked Deana and I'm glad she got so far, I think that that sort of character would often not be as popular as she actually turned out to be. I think she's a good example of someone's true personality being given a chance to come through because the audience don't immediately take against her due to external factors. A similar thing could potentially happen with Georgina. I'd say that the majority (not quite all, obviously) of Housemates would end up being quite likeable if we watched them for enough of a period of time, but given that the format means that we have to judge them so early on, many of them don't get that chance. Deana was a lucky one who slipped through the cracks, maybe Georgina will do the same.
kirbyreed
14-06-2016
i hope not. she's probably my favourite housemate now after last night. i can't stand marco either and would definitely be reacting the same way she is.
Aura101
14-06-2016
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Why on earth would she be a sure finalist if it was VTS? ”

I should have added ''if her popularity continues''.
Salv*
14-06-2016
This is a difficult one.

Would she be evicted though? That's the question. It's a VTE. And historically, the rowdy or sexualised, flirty and women who go topless end up making enemies for the people who normally vote (women).

So, would the voting public vote out someone who is pretty and normal over someone who is shagging in the house/getting their boobs out, I think the latter.

I personally think that Georgina is safe in that respect. She would not go over the likes of Laura if they were both up for eviction.
laurel
14-06-2016
I hope she stays.

She's sharp as and witty with it. Not at all what I expected from the first night.
muggins14
14-06-2016
I'm not liking anybody or building anybody up, I just am relieved to see that there is some contrast to the Marco group, some opposition if you will to the fawning party crowd. I don't care who it comes from as long as it exists.

I don't think anybody wants there to be one dominant housemate who controls everything - a Helen Wood that puts the fear of god into the rest of them to the point where some of the housemates hang out in a group away from her as much as possible.

It may well be that those who aren't like or don't like Marco do exactly that, form a separate group who don't hang out with the rest, which would be a shame. We don't know as we are only a week in and really we haven't seen much of anybody and can only go on what we are shown.

I'm certainly not going to champion Georgina at this stage but she did give me some hope for the show last night; I just finally saw a spark of a TV show last night rather than feeling like I was watching an episode of TOWIE. Finally we had somebody saying something contradictory, some sign of cracks starting to form.

I don't care what 'this forum' is doing, I just go with my gut and talk about what I see and think about what I've seen. Heck, it certainly beats talking about Marco for a while!

ETA: Whether Georgina - or anybody else - stands up to Marco, contradicts him, pulls him up on any of his behaviour, etc. remains to be seen. That would be interesting.
Salv*
14-06-2016
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“I'm not liking anybody or building anybody up, I just am relieved to see that there is some contrast to the Marco group, some opposition if you will to the fawning party crowd. I don't care who it comes from as long as it exists.

I don't think anybody wants there to be one dominant housemate who controls everything - a Helen Wood that puts the fear of god into the rest of them to the point where some of the housemates hang out in a group away from her as much as possible.

It may well be that those who aren't like or don't like Marco do exactly that, form a separate group who don't hang out with the rest, which would be a shame. We don't know as we are only a week in and really we haven't seen much of anybody and can only go on what we are shown.

I'm certainly not going to champion Georgina at this stage but she did give me some hope for the show last night; I just finally saw a spark of a TV show last night rather than feeling like I was watching an episode of TOWIE. Finally we had somebody saying something contradictory, some sign of cracks starting to form.

I don't care what 'this forum' is doing, I just go with my gut and talk about what I see and think about what I've seen. Heck, it certainly beats talking about Marco for a while!

ETA: Whether Georgina - or anybody else - stands up to Marco, contradicts him, pulls him up on any of his behavior, etc. remains to be seen. That would be interesting.”

Everyone seems to be very pro-Marco, bar Georgina and Jason. So I reckon one of them two will be the one to clash with Marco. Or, perhaps Andy.

And then in the Other house? Hughie for sure. I can see him really getting tired of Marco if he had to live with him.

Everyone else is licking his behind. But at least like you said it isn't a Helen thing when everyone basically cowers to her (well except Ashleigh), there is an anti-Marco group and that will be interesting to see.

If he's like this on Day 6 and the likes of Georgina are getting already annoyed, can't imagine what it would be like by Week 6 if they are both in.
muggins14
14-06-2016
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“Everyone seems to be very pro-Marco, bar Georgina and Jason. So I reckon one of them two will be the one to clash with Marco. Or, perhaps Andy.

And then in the Other house? Hughie for sure. I can see him really getting tired of Marco if he had to live with him.

Everyone else is licking his behind. But at least like you said it isn't a Helen thing when everyone basically cowers to her (well except Ashleigh), there is an anti-Marco group and that will be interesting to see.

If he's like this on Day 6 and the likes of Georgina are getting already annoyed, can't imagine what it would be like by Week 6 if they are both in.”

My recollection is Ashleigh spending most of her time chatting to Chris in the bedroom and avoiding Helen as much as possible, so even if she wasn't cowering, she still wasn't really confronting her - and who could blame her, we could all see how pointless it would have been. Helen was like a child putting their fingers in their ears and going lalalala then throwing a tantrum!
george.millman
14-06-2016
Georgina has already confronted Marco in a minor way. Big Brother said to tell Marco to stop tampering with the fixtures, and when she told him he was very rude to her. I thought she stood up for herself well enough - I don't reckon she's a pushover.

I have the impression that Marco has gone through his whole life without anyone standing up to him, I'd say he's a bit baffled by a Georgina.
Captain Kipper
14-06-2016
Georgina is normal...she might look dull to those who prefer the Marco's and Ryan's of this world, but I have seen enough of her to know she has a lot to offer this show.
Freddie4PM
14-06-2016
She's been a much better housemate without Jackson around. Hope she quickly drifts away from him when he inevitably returns, unless she's able to bring out the side of him that isn't an annoying poser that's all mouth and no substance.
Helen90
14-06-2016
I feel like this is our chance to see Georgina shine, as soon as Jackson goes back in she'll be different. She's getting a lot of support online.
trevor tiger
14-06-2016
Originally Posted by Aura101:
“Georgina won't last the distance on VTE, jealous girls will vote her out but she would be a sure fire finalist on VTS . ugh I prefer the celeb version .”

What exactly will these girls be jealous of and why wouldn't they be jealous of any of the other candidates for eviction? She doesn't seems particularly remarkable to me and surely she would need to be so in order to engender jealousy.

Originally Posted by Cat-:
“I don't get the love for her. Seems up herself and has an air of superiority and thinks she's better than everyone else. Not my cup of tea.”

This is certainly how I see her. She irritates me far more than the twin and I even felt a wee bit on the twin's side in their dispute.

Originally Posted by Veri:
“It seems an 'underdog heroine' narrative for Georgina is now being constructed in this forum, even though she may be the least deserving HM ever attempted to be cast in that role. ”

Yes I certainly agree with this. Even if I were to be on her side with her stance regarding Marco and the twin her manner and delivery just puts me right off her. She seems inconsolably miserable.

Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“She's certainly superior to quite a few of the sex workers in there. imo.”

Why and how
Cat-
14-06-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“What exactly will these girls be jealous of and why wouldn't they be jealous of any of the other candidates for eviction? She doesn't seems particularly remarkable to me and surely she would need to be so in order to engender jealousy.



This is certainly how I see her. She irritates me far more than the twin and I even felt a wee bit on the twin's side in their dispute.



Yes I certainly agree with this. Even if I were to be on her side with her stance regarding Marco and the twin her manner and delivery just puts me right off her. She seems inconsolably miserable.



Why and how ”

Seems we're in the minority Trevor. Not that I mind about that and don't mind people having differing opinions at all. However, I honestly never seen her initial appeal. It baffles me. And even more so since she's opened her gob. She's a very unpleasant high maintenance type young snob. Eugh... no thanks.
Cloudy2
14-06-2016
If they are which I don't think they are she won't go she has 55% as favourite h/m on thisisbigbrother.
Whitney0226
14-06-2016
Originally Posted by george.millman:
“Georgina has already confronted Marco in a minor way. Big Brother said to tell Marco to stop tampering with the fixtures, and when she told him he was very rude to her. I thought she stood up for herself well enough - I don't reckon she's a pushover.

I have the impression that Marco has gone through his whole life without anyone standing up to him, I'd say he's a bit baffled by a Georgina.”

I think she dominated Marco completely in that argument. She called him out in front of the entire group, he chased after her and basically complained that she was mean to him in front of people (embarrassing him/his ego). She wouldn't give an inch, and he walked away dazed he didn't get his way. It's a small moment, but I think you really see the effect Georgina's non-worship of him has on him when he told Emma he was basically scared to have a dance party, because he didn't want to upset Georgina, and make enemies. He plays at being a dominant personality, but he actually isn't. He mouths off around the group to keep up his image, but I don't think he has any desire to truly piss her off and go to war. Emma's way more out spoken, and combative than him.

I agree that Marco is baffled by Georgina, but I think it's more of the fact that she's a female who is showing him zero attention or affection. I think even the women who don't show interest romantically have probably coddled him, and he's not sure what to do with a female who does neither. He can't ignore it either, because he's stuck in a house with Georgina, and she doesn't seem to be letting up.

Originally Posted by Cloudy2:
“If they are which I don't think they are she won't go she has 55% as favourite h/m on thisisbigbrother.”

This is good news. I don't mind the Marco antics, but I need something to temper that. I hope she keeps the public support for a good while.
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