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Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven may be partly stolen, judge says
Miss Ann Thropy
14-06-2016
A jury will decide...

Quote:
“Led Zeppelin’s lead singer Robert Plant and guitarist Jimmy Page must face a US jury trial over whether they stole opening chords for their 1971 classic Stairway to Heaven.

The lawsuit was brought by Michael Skidmore, a trustee for the late Randy Wolfe, also known as Randy California, who was Spirit’s guitarist and the composer of Taurus.

Skidmore said Page may have been inspired to write Stairway to Heaven for Led Zeppelin after hearing Spirit perform Taurus while the bands toured together in 1968 and 1969, but that Wolfe never got credit.

The defendants said Wolfe was a songwriter-for-hire who had no copyright claim, and that the chord progressions were so clichéd that they did not deserve copyright protection.

But the judge said a jury could find “substantial” similarity between the first two minutes of Stairway to Heaven and Taurus, which he called “arguably the most recognizable and important segments” of the songs.”

This is in court today - the artists will be defending the claims.
Casper Gomez
14-06-2016
Stairway to heaven is a good start, but what about all the other songs they have ripped off? Page is one of the worst plagiarists of music and Plant is a plagiarist of lyrics.
Miss Ann Thropy
14-06-2016
Originally Posted by Casper Gomez:
“Stairway to heaven is a good start, but what about all the other songs they have ripped off? Page is one of the worst plagiarists of music and Plant is a plagiarist of lyrics.”

Led Zep are a band I somehow avoided growing up and I never really liked what I did hear. Thus I don't have such knowledge about Plant or Page. Also, Stairway To Heaven is one of those pet hate songs for me, right up there with House Of The Rising Sun and Hotel California. There is a parody of Stairway To Heaven called Hairway To Steven by Butthole Surfers - now that, I do like!
dodrade
14-06-2016
Noel Gallagher admits the opening Piano riff of Don't Look Back in Anger is lifted straight from Imagine, how come Yoko never sued him?
Miss Ann Thropy
14-06-2016
Well there must be plenty of others. On breakfast TV this morning when this was being discussed, there was a musician saying that the bars in the chorus line of a song he had made sounded, he had been told, identical to "If The Kids Are United" by Sham 69. He said as an American, he was aware of the name Sham 69 but that he had never heard any of their music.
Lily_M
14-06-2016
Talking of Hotel California, there are famously similarities between it and "We Used to Know" by Jethro Tull (Tull's song came first).

Jethro Tull: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8VLcYLL7Us

Eagles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrfhf1Gv4Tw
CLL Dodge
14-06-2016
If Johann Pachelbel was alive he could sue dozens of artists for ripping off his Canon in D:

Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen we are Floating in Space
Green Day - Basket Case
Vitamin C - Graduation Friends Forever
Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter - One Tin Soldier
Belle & Sebastian - Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying
My Chemical Romance - The Black Parade
Blues Traveler - Hook
Goldfinger - Superman
The Polyphonic Spree - Light And Day / Reach for the Sun
Coolio - C U When U Get There
Joe Jackson - Hometown
Tupac - Life Goes On
Therapy Sisters - Pachelbel's Tantrum
The Farm - All Together Now
First Class - Beach Baby
Mary-Kate and Ashley - Imagine
Relient K - Operation
Happa-tai - Yatta
Delerium - Paris
Aphrodite's Child - Rain and Tears
Lutricia McNeal - Rise
[several artists, including Paliament] - Oh Lord, Why Lord?
Menelik - Je Me Souviens
Libera - Sanctus
Arianne - Komm, Susser Tod
Bob James - In the Garden
Brian Eno - Fullness of Wind
Akon - Don't Matter
Pet Shop Boys - Go West
Eternity - Wonderful World
Eternity - Love
Eternity - You Smile
Sweetbox - Life is Cool
Emiri Miyamoto - Break
Bond - Lullaby
Alain Barriere - Tout s'en va déjà
Oscar Benton - I Believe In Love
All Angels - Salve Regina
El Bosco - Nirvana
Fahrenheit - Xin Li You Shu
Redsox - Sweet Dream
Sarah Connor - Love Is Color Blind
Philip Wesley - Ode to a composer
Die Firma - Die Eine
2 Brothers On The 4th Floor - There is a key
2 Brothers On The 4th Floor - Christmas Time
Theresia - Moonlight
Valensia - Bruxelles
Arthur - Pipo
DJ Angel - Flowrish
Claire Hamill - Someday We Will All Be Together
Karnak - Juvenar
Leftover Crack - Crack City Rockers
twenty47 - Get A Life, Again
Byul - Like a Star
Terry FU - Two Different Worlds
Luca Zeta - Over The Clouds
M2M - The Day You Went Away
N-Dubz ft. Bodyrox - We Dance On
Nicki Minaj - Girls Fall Like Dominoes
Shane Filan - Beautiful in White
Ashram - Last Kiss

Original is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvNQLJ1_HQ0
stvn758
15-06-2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APNI2CC0k6A

Listen to Johann Sebastian Bach - Bouree In E Minor, slow it down and be amazed.

Page actually said it was his inspiration for the intro, it doesn't help that Led Zeppelin have had a lot of instances of plagiarism, some actually settled.
gomezz
15-06-2016
Apparently the LZ defence is that it is a common descending sequence used many times in other pieces of music. If so, all they have to do is present several examples of this prior usage.
mrkite77
15-06-2016
Axis of Awesome - Four Chord Song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I
Casper Gomez
15-06-2016
Oasis and Zeppelin are the biggest frauds in the history of music!
degsyhufc
15-06-2016
Originally Posted by Casper Gomez:
“Oasis and Zeppelin are the biggest frauds in the history of music!”

Milli Vanilli breath a sigh of relief.
TeeGee
15-06-2016
An unlikely comparison is Grateful Dead's Truckin' and Andrew Lloyd Webber's Any Dream Will Do. As near identical as two tunes can be. Maybe Lloyd Webber is a closet Deadhead...
Microkorg
16-06-2016
Originally Posted by TeeGee:
“An unlikely comparison is Grateful Dead's Truckin' and Andrew Lloyd Webber's Any Dream Will Do. As near identical as two tunes can be. Maybe Lloyd Webber is a closet Deadhead... ”

Ripple is the song, not Truckin'
Inkblot
16-06-2016
Originally Posted by stvn758:
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APNI2CC0k6A

Listen to Johann Sebastian Bach - Bouree In E Minor, slow it down and be amazed.

Page actually said it was his inspiration for the intro, it doesn't help that Led Zeppelin have had a lot of instances of plagiarism, some actually settled.”

It was definitely the inspiration for this: Bourree by Jethro Tull, which doesn't sound a lot like Stairway to Heaven
Miss Ann Thropy
16-06-2016
Originally Posted by Casper Gomez:
“Oasis and Zeppelin are the biggest frauds in the history of music!”

While I thought at the time they were fab four wannabes, I'm keen to know examples of which of their songs were rip-offs.
Casper Gomez
16-06-2016
Originally Posted by Miss Ann Thropy:
“While I thought at the time they were fab four wannabes, I'm keen to know examples of which of their songs were rip-offs.”

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?...ly-every-song/
Miss Ann Thropy
16-06-2016
Originally Posted by Casper Gomez:
“http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?...ly-every-song/”

Thanks a lot. And there's a lot to go on isn't there. I'll be testing some of these out later I'm sure.
JohnStannard
16-06-2016
the trouble this causes these days
stvn758
18-06-2016
YouTube - Cry Me A River by Davy Graham!

Here is another example of that riff, almost identical, 1958.
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