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Old 16-06-2016, 23:08
Cissy Fairfax
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Roy isn't a good manager.

He wasn't a good manager in Brazil

He just got lucky today.
Sir Bobby's last ten matches in tournament football went as follows:

LOST 2-1
LOST 0-1
LOST 1-3
LOST 1-3
DREW 1-1
DREW 0-0
WON 1-0
DREW 0-0 (1-0 AET)
DREW 2-2 (3-2 AET)
DREW 1-1 (Lost Pens)

That had four straight defeats, six without a win and one win in normal time in ten matches with the football largely dire and Sir Bobby is looked upon as the best manager that we have had and the players of that time seem to forget those results very easily.

Two of our three world cup games and these two matches have been terrific. If you think this is bad, I am not sure what you made of Capello or most previous major tournaments.
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Old 16-06-2016, 23:19
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I think a five year old child could have made those substitutions today

Sterling is not playing well, lets bring on Vardy

Kane is not playing well, lets bring on Sturridge

Lallana is not playing well, lets bring on Rashford


I cant imagine what he would have done if he did not have these players avaliable

Maybe bring on Milner, like he always had to do
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Old 16-06-2016, 23:33
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He would have chosen from the other players he'd called up. I think a five year old child would understand that much.
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Old 16-06-2016, 23:42
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I think a five year old child could have made those substitutions today

Sterling is not playing well, lets bring on Vardy

Kane is not playing well, lets bring on Sturridge

Lallana is not playing well, lets bring on Rashford


I cant imagine what he would have done if he did not have these players avaliable

Maybe bring on Milner, like he always had to do
Lallana was playing very well. Roping him for Rashford was not by any means an obvious move, but it clearly worked.

I still don't like Roy, and I'd still rather he wasn't England manager, But I'll give credit where it's due, he got it spot on today in that second half.
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Old 17-06-2016, 00:12
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He would have chosen from the other players he'd called up. I think a five year old child would understand that much.
Yes, but then we would lost today as we would not have had Vardy or Sturridge in the squad would we
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Old 17-06-2016, 00:21
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The balls to make the calls or the skills to pay the bills?
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Old 17-06-2016, 00:21
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Yes, but then we would lost today as we would not have had Vardy or Sturridge in the squad would we

That's not how anything works ever. Again like in the other thread, if one player isn't in the team a different one would be, rather than a big blank space. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
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Old 17-06-2016, 00:41
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I can see why Sterling started again. He does make the pitch much bigger staying down the wing and his presence does pull defenders closer to him, he is still perceived to be very quick although he seems to have lost some pace to me. I see it a lot for Arsenal with Walcott still marked much closer than other players even though there is very little end product.

He is not playing well though and the fee paid for him looks a bit silly. But if we want to play in a similar style with Townsend left behind and who is a different player anyway there is nobody else in the entire squad like him. Vardy would probably be the next best option for pace down the wing.
Sterling didn't stay on the wing and lost the ball pretty much every time he got it.
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Old 17-06-2016, 01:32
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Roy isn't a good manager.

He wasn't a good manager in Brazil

He just got lucky today.
What as Brazil got to do with anything?

Lucky? Oh come on let's at least stick to some degree of reality.

You do not come though a qualifying group in the way Engalnd did by being "Lucky", You don't get to be top of the group by being "Lucky".
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Old 17-06-2016, 01:36
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Yes, but then we would lost today as we would not have had Vardy or Sturridge in the squad would we
Are we really going down the route of some alternative reality? If x and x was not there then y and y would happen? What if Vardy had never been born? What if Bale had been born Irish? What if Roy had been called Frank?
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Old 17-06-2016, 01:43
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I think a five year old child could have made those substitutions today

Sterling is not playing well, lets bring on Vardy

Kane is not playing well, lets bring on Sturridge

Lallana is not playing well, lets bring on Rashford


I cant imagine what he would have done if he did not have these players avaliable

Maybe bring on Milner, like he always had to do
I bet most managers would have given Sterling and Kane another 15-20 more mins in the second half to see if they could turn the game around . It took guts to send on Vardy and Sturridge at the start of the 2nd half . No matter how good a player is, it's still a gamble sending on players new to the competition .
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Old 17-06-2016, 01:52
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Are we really going down the route of some alternative reality? ... What if Roy had been called Frank?
Then Frank would have played a blinder; spot on with his half time team talk and substitutions. I really did have doubts that we could do what Russia did to us and France and Spain did with late late goals... but we showed that we can. And we did.

Too much negativity in this thread from certain quarters. Well done Frank, well done the lads.
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Old 17-06-2016, 02:03
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Thankfully he finally canme to his senses with the Kane corner situation.

The vardy sub was a no brainer, the rashford one was a fairly bold move though so in short I think he does have the balls.

Personally yes sturridge got the winner but I don't think he played well at all, hopefully wilshere will start Monday night
lol u crazy mate? Sturridge set up the first goal with a genius lob and god will only know how he managed that 2nd. Which he started the attack and finished.
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Old 17-06-2016, 02:04
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I think roy read this thread before the game tbh.
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Old 17-06-2016, 03:23
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Yes, but then we would lost today as we would not have had Vardy or Sturridge in the squad would we
Sorry, why is it a bad thing that your country has a wealth of options for the manager to choose from when he needs to change the game?
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Old 17-06-2016, 03:47
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Can Roy really win? - no-body wanted Rooney to play and now most people think he has been our best player.

The Kane taking corners thing was strange simply because he is a goal scorer compared to others who could take one.

I can only presume he took the best ones in training...or did Hodgson think Kane had less chance of knocking one in than others?

Even today with the subs some were saying "well its about time" which is fair enough but others managers would be patted on the back for the changes made.

I guess Vardy and Sturridge will start now and quite fairly having scored but you know if they have a bad game there will be fingers pointed.

As for Sterling - well managers like pace don't they which is why he plays...no-one else in the squad has it really in terms of playing out wide.

(And I am not sure Hodgson is a big fan of Vardy's although should be tonight!)
Noones said anything negative about Rooney here?? Not me anyway?? He has been the best player I have seen playing for England in that position since Paul Scholes.. And that is saying something, some retards misunderstood this thread, don't be one of them, read what is written.

I hit the nail on the head in the opening TBH. And pace means nothing if there is no end product, headless chickens? We have seen many. Sturridge and Vardy need to start the next game, they are both pure quality and both on fire end of. They both played a hand in each goal and it was NOT EASY to score against that WALL OF WELSH PLAYERS.No offence to Harry Kane whatsoever, he is a quality striker but he is showing the classic hallmarks of a striker hitting a "goal drought" and now is not the time or the place to be playing him. Well done Roy.
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Old 17-06-2016, 04:23
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What as Brazil got to do with anything?

Lucky? Oh come on let's at least stick to some degree of reality.

You do not come though a qualifying group in the way Engalnd did by being "Lucky", You don't get to be top of the group by being "Lucky".
You get lucky with qualifying groups. If you had Wales group you would struggle to qualify.
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Old 17-06-2016, 06:23
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You get lucky with qualifying groups. If you had Wales group you would struggle to qualify.
People need to stop moving the goalposts in order to have a go at the manager. Is it too much to ask to be happy that the team are top of the group? HE made the right changes and England live to fight another day. He oversaw the team qualify with ease and he has managed a transition to a much younger side. There are many positives to be taken if people choose to do so.

When its all over people can look back and judge whether it was a success or not but looking for things to complain about after a victory sums up everything thats wrong with supporting England.
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Old 17-06-2016, 06:49
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Roy owes a big thanks to Sturridge. He would off been pilloried if we drew again.
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Old 17-06-2016, 06:56
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Roy owes a big thanks to Sturridge. He would off been pilloried if we drew again.
England won and he's still getting stick.

If it had been 7-0 to England the forum would be full of people complaining about the poor standard of opposition or the blue sleeves on the shirt or something else. Heaven forbid that a win is enjoyed.
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Old 17-06-2016, 07:13
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You get lucky with qualifying groups. If you had Wales group you would struggle to qualify.
Nah. Wales qualified and we've just shown again that we're better, so we'd have breezed that group too.
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Old 17-06-2016, 07:29
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Roy owes a big thanks to Sturridge. He would off been pilloried if we drew again.
No he has his entire team to thank.
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Old 17-06-2016, 07:57
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I fond it funny that on Saturday its only the result that matters and that England dropped points even if it was in the last minute after a good performance yet by yesterday its "lucky" to win in the last minute and its all about the performance which apparently wasn't good enough!!
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Old 17-06-2016, 08:10
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I fond it funny that on Saturday its only the result that matters and that England dropped points even if it was in the last minute after a good performance yet by yesterday its "lucky" to win in the last minute and its all about the performance which apparently wasn't good enough!!
It's it everyone who thinks like this Stilton. I'd say it's the minority. Plenty of Football fans are pretty happy with our first two games. It's a lot better, performance and results wise than in the last decade or so.
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Old 17-06-2016, 08:14
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It's it everyone who thinks like this Stilton. I'd say it's the minority. Plenty of Football fans are pretty happy with our first two games. It's a lot better, performance and results wise than in the last decade or so.
Oh of course but that minority are very vocal and seem to post on here a lot!
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