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Old 16-06-2016, 16:48
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Early stages, yet goals are celebrated like their team has scored the winning goal in the final.
The nervous tension, passion & commitment are there for all too see.
The atmospheres at the matches as good as you'll get on modern day football.

Unbeatable!
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Old 16-06-2016, 16:52
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These tournaments are the pinnacle.
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Old 16-06-2016, 16:52
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Because in the European Cup a late goal sees everyone shrug their shoulders? Your odd argument doesn't need to have its own thread.
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Old 16-06-2016, 16:53
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That's because they are, there is nothing more important than bringing your country to victory.
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Old 16-06-2016, 17:21
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Because in the European Cup a late goal sees everyone shrug their shoulders? Your odd argument doesn't need to have its own thread.
I'm not talking just about today's England game or the late goals.
This is the early stages and everything about it walks all over the mundane, drawn group stages of the CL.
You can literally see it in the eyes of the players and fans how much more important playing for country is compared to that of playing for club.
The hopes and dreams of millions on your shoulders, compared to the numbers who support a club is incomparable!
People with tears in their eyes just listening to their national anthem etc etc etc.
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Old 16-06-2016, 17:24
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That's because they are, there is nothing more important than bringing your country to victory.
It doesn't even have to be victory,
The passion of the Albanians hanging on for just a draw, then massive dissapointment of conceding late goals, shows how much it means.
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Old 16-06-2016, 17:47
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Despite 8 additional teams the group stage standards is still higher than World Cup which is riddled with dross qualifiers
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Old 17-06-2016, 20:21
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I don't think I will ever better seeing Chelsea win the CL. Best ever.

I bet most Arsenal fans would rather their team win the CL and any Liverpool fan under 35 seeing their team win the league would be preferred.

It would be great to see England win this or the WC but for me thats definitely beatable.
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Old 18-06-2016, 00:43
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Do you think a player who is one of best players in the world has to perform for his country at a major tournament to be considered as one of the greatest players of all time
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Old 18-06-2016, 01:10
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I don't think I will ever better seeing Chelsea win the CL. Best ever.

I bet most Arsenal fans would rather their team win the CL and any Liverpool fan under 35 seeing their team win the league would be preferred.

It would be great to see England win this or the WC but for me thats definitely beatable.
None of us have ever experienced the build up and excitement of England getting to a euro or world cup final in the current generation where the hype and excitement is on a different level to what it was in 1966 and a level above your club competing for an annual tournament,

I thought I was indifferent to england as did many of my friends, but if England got to and won a World Cup final in this day and age, i thinks that the feeling would be on another level to what your club could achieve and was in contention for every year.
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Old 18-06-2016, 01:34
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None of us have ever experienced the build up and excitement of England getting to a euro or world cup final in the current generation where the hype and excitement is on a different level to what it was in 1966 and a level above your club competing for an annual tournament,

I thought I was indifferent to england as did many of my friends, but if England got to and won a World Cup final in this day and age, i thinks that the feeling would be on another level to what your club could achieve and was in contention for every year.
With your club you're talking fans in the tens of thousands, the rest don't give a toss about what your club does.
With England and other countries it's millions. I think that's why some top club players cannot reproduce their club form at international level.
The hype, tension, pressure and expectation is just too much for them to handle. It's on a completely different level to what they have to cope with at club level.
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Old 18-06-2016, 01:39
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Do you think a player who is one of best players in the world has to perform for his country at a major tournament to be considered as one of the greatest players of all time
All the true greats do it at club and international level.
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Old 18-06-2016, 07:42
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George Best was a true great but didn't have a chance to perform at the highest level.
It doesn't make him any less of a player.
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Old 18-06-2016, 07:47
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None of us have ever experienced the build up and excitement of England getting to a euro or world cup final in the current generation where the hype and excitement is on a different level to what it was in 1966 and a level above your club competing for an annual tournament,

I thought I was indifferent to england as did many of my friends, but if England got to and won a World Cup final in this day and age, i thinks that the feeling would be on another level to what your club could achieve and was in contention for every year.
I bet if a poll was done many would choose their club side to win a major trophy over England.
I am lucky in that I have celebrated my club win every trophy going so England winning would be the icing.
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Old 18-06-2016, 07:51
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All the true greats do it at club and international level.
Was there a need for another thread on this when you walked away from the last one when your viewpoint was challenged?
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Old 18-06-2016, 07:52
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George Best was a true great but didn't have a chance to perform at the highest level.
It doesn't make him any less of a player.
You're banging your head against a brick wall I'm afraid.
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Old 18-06-2016, 08:25
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Do you think a player who is one of best players in the world has to perform for his country at a major tournament to be considered as one of the greatest players of all time
It's a bit of a double edged sword that one. On the one hand you could say yes because otherwise can they really be considered great, but on the other you can't expect a world class player who happens to play for a crap country side to do it all themselves, even world class players need half-decent support.

So I would say no, a world class player doesn't become less so because his fellow countrymen are nowhere near good, let alone world class.
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Old 18-06-2016, 10:06
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I bet if a poll was done many would choose their club side to win a major trophy over England.
I am lucky in that I have celebrated my club win every trophy going so England winning would be the icing.
Yep, I think the old would show that more people would choose club success vs country.
I still stick with my view though, that as a tournament develops and your country keeps going, the hype and excitement and the fact that it brings people together and the rarity of it, would make it an even better feeling as a football fan if you are also proud to be from England, or whichever nation it is.
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Old 18-06-2016, 14:54
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George Best was a true great but didn't have a chance to perform at the highest level.
It doesn't make him any less of a player.
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Old 18-06-2016, 15:05
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Do you think a player who is one of best players in the world has to perform for his country at a major tournament to be considered as one of the greatest players of all time
I'd say it depends on whether he had a chance to play in International Tournaments or not - players like George Best never had the chance but is still a great player, but players who are great at club level but not when given the chance at international tournements then I'd say no.
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Old 18-06-2016, 15:09
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It's a bit of a double edged sword that one. On the one hand you could say yes because otherwise can they really be considered great, but on the other you can't expect a world class player who happens to play for a crap country side to do it all themselves, even world class players need half-decent support.

So I would say no, a world class player doesn't become less so because his fellow countrymen are nowhere near good, let alone world class.
A great player cannot make a crap team into Euro or World champs, though Maradona was great enough to make a massive difference to Napoli.
What a truly great player can do at International tournanent level is perform at his indivudual best.
When he gets a chance he normally puts away ar club level but fluffs at this level, that's when temprement and coping with the massive pressure is expoaed. Those who can cope with are the true greats.
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Old 18-06-2016, 15:20
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I'd say it depends on whether he had a chance to play in International Tournaments or not - players like George Best never had the chance but is still a great player, but players who are great at club level but not when given the chance at ? tournements then I'd say no.
Nail on the head!
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Old 18-06-2016, 15:34
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Lukaku is back to being works class then I see.
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Old 18-06-2016, 16:05
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Lukaku is back to being works class then I see.
I've never said he was world class and I haven' seen anyone else say he is either.
That was an extremely poor Irish team. Against quality he looks a lumbering giant with a poor touch.
But he did his job today, which is all one can ask.
If he has a great tournament and does iit against the best teams, then his rating will deservedly go up.
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Old 18-06-2016, 17:12
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I've never said he was world class and I haven' seen anyone else say he is either.
That was an extremely poor Irish team. Against quality he looks a lumbering giant with a poor touch.)
But he did his job today, which is all one can ask.
If he has a great tournament and does iit against the best teams, then his rating will deservedly go up.
Yes you did.

You said greats do it at club and international level. Are we now changing the bench mark?

At the moment he is doing it at club level (this season has scored a record number of goals for his club) and he is doing it international level. Using your own formula he is one of the greats.
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