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No, that's why viewing figures can't be used to measure anything but how many people have the telly on and particularly can't be used for direct comparison as they're two different beasts.
![]() Millions of people don't all happen to tune in to a certain channel at a certain time by accident. They so because they want to watch it. As I've said numorous times, the viewing figures for England games dwarf those of the CL. It's a measure that England is far more important to them than club football. Across nations, the interest and importance of the national team is far more than it is for any club. It is pure living in denial to question that. |
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England viewing figures are larger because while every English fan can potentially support England for two weeks every two years, not every English fan can potentially support all of the hundreds of clubs within the country season in, season out. It's not a measure of importance, it's that international football incorporates club football. International football is way more inclusive.
Your Champions League win peaked at 10m viewers the other year. England's national team represents all the clubs in the English football pyramid, but let's just use the 92 league clubs, minus Swansea and Cardiff. As England games don't get 900m viewers, Chelsea in the Champions League is proportionally more important. I've just proved it with viewing figures. I'm actually on your side about the appeal of international tournaments as they're one of the scant few things in football I actually look forward to, but viewing figures don't equal importance. Dirty Den serving Ange with the papers excluded. |
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Not a measure of anything.
![]() Millions of people don't all happen to tune in to a certain channel at a certain time by accident. They so because they want to watch it. As I've said numorous times, the viewing figures for England games dwarf those of the CL. It's a measure that England is far more important to them than club football. Across nations, the interest and importance of the national team is far more than it is for any club. It is pure living in denial to question that. |
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I prefer the international tournaments, but as for viewing figures, these games are available to everyone to watch, whereas the CL is available to BT Sport, whatever that is, and how many pay for that?
Many times England matches have been in the top ten most watched shows of the year. And that's not even taking into account the numbers of fans who watch matches in large groups in pubs, clubs etc where these big numbers are watching on one large screen. |
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England viewing figures are larger because while every English fan can potentially support England for two weeks every two years, not every English fan can potentially support all of the hundreds of clubs within the country season in, season out. It's not a measure of importance, it's that international football incorporates club football. International football is way more inclusive.
Your Champions League win peaked at 10m viewers the other year. England's national team represents all the clubs in the English football pyramid, but let's just use the 92 league clubs, minus Swansea and Cardiff. As England games don't get 900m viewers, Chelsea in the Champions League is proportionally more important. I've just proved it with viewing figures. I'm actually on your side about the appeal of international tournaments as they're one of the scant few things in football I actually look forward to, but viewing figures don't equal importance. Dirty Den serving Ange with the papers excluded. I've got to put my hands together and applaud that bit of twisting.
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Something I've just read, taken from The Guardian.com.
"Viewing figures for the CL have fallen by an alarming 38% over the last five years."
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This should be moved to the Broadcasting forum.
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This should be moved to the Broadcasting forum.
It won't happen, but a way to revive interest in this bloated, flagging tournament would be to go back to it's original format of a KO Cup involving champs only. The second tier Euro tournament would benefit greatly if they did that. |
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I can understand why you don't want another hard fact on here shitting all over your argument.
It won't happen, but a way to revive interest in this bloated, flagging tournament would be to go back to it's original format of a KO Cup involving champs only. The second tier Euro tournament would benefit greatly if they did that. Or maybe go all the way back to the Fairs Cup and instead of penalties we could measure which fans cheer the loudest? |
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Or maybe go all the way back to the Fairs Cup and instead of penalties we could measure which fans cheer the loudest?
Turns out cheering isn't a good unit of measurement.
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There has been no shitting on my argument at all - you just change the argument. The fact that you would return the CL to knockout competition shows just how much in the past you are living. Far better to be crowned Champions of Europe by getting a good draw all the way through to the final and having to beat minimal top sides rather than a competition where the top sides play each other regularly. But hey, it will be great because it will benefit the UEFA cup (which will be the new name for the Europa League). Perhaps we could forget that no one actually watched it by the end and bring back the Cup Winners Cup too?
Or maybe go all the way back to the Fairs Cup and instead of penalties we could measure which fans cheer the loudest? ![]() All I did was add another FACT to prove the CL ain't all that. As for my opinion about going back to the original format. If something is losing popularity at the rate that the CL very clearly is ( i mentioned matches in pubs with hardly anyone bothering to watch before I saw this item about falling viewing figures) then something needs to be done! They could easily seed teams in a return to a proper Cup, in order to keep the so-called top teams apart. |
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How on earth have I changed my argument.
![]() All I did was add another FACT to prove the CL ain't all that. As for my opinion about going back to the original format. If something is losing popularity at the rate that the CL very clearly is ( i mentioned matches in pubs with hardly anyone bothering to watch before I saw this item about falling viewing figures) then something needs to be done! They could easily seed teams in a return to a proper Cup, in order to keep the so-called top teams apart. |
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You do know it's being shown on bt sport now instead of itv and sky?
The CL has been losing viewers years for 5 years, which was years before it went to BT. |
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International football always beats club football in terms of popularity I dont knwo what the argument is here but lets be honest I see people I know who never even watch club football but when it comes to the Euros or the world cup they are keen watchers, there just that little more something to it, its a biggger place each team is representing and simply a bigger stage with the best of the best players in each position. NO CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL is ever shown on two different channels at the same time but the world cup final ALWAYS IS why? Because more people tune in to watch. Simple as that.
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There has been no shitting on my argument at all - you just change the argument. The fact that you would return the CL to knockout competition shows just how much in the past you are living. Far better to be crowned Champions of Europe by getting a good draw all the way through to the final and having to beat minimal top sides rather than a competition where the top sides play each other regularly. But hey, it will be great because it will benefit the UEFA cup (which will be the new name for the Europa League). Perhaps we could forget that no one actually watched it by the end and bring back the Cup Winners Cup too?
Or maybe go all the way back to the Fairs Cup and instead of penalties we could measure which fans cheer the loudest? The Champions League is just an artiicial product set up to artificially benefit the biggest clubs in the world for the long-term. Allows the rich to get richer. |
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You do know it's being shown on bt sport now instead of itv and sky?
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So why is it called the Champions League, when most of the teams that enter the cometition were not champions the last season?
The Champions League is just an artiicial product set up to artificially benefit the biggest clubs in the world for the long-term. Allows the rich to get richer. |
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He's already said that - read the thread!
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Seems like outdated nonsense to be talking about a Champions League not being for Champions only.
It might have resembled mildly interesting pub chatter in the mid to late 90s. |
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Of course they are, the CL is important to supporters of clubs who are in it, but the Euros and World Cup are watched by people who aren't usually interested in football and they unite the nation, those people who would have no interest in the CL. In the CL, half the people want Man Utd, Chelsea, ect to win, the other half want them to lose.
Winning the World Cup is the biggest honour a player can get, it's far bigger and much more prestigious than a CL win. It's clowns shoes stuff for anyone to compare TV ratings between the competitions. It not like for like. |
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This is why you are so difficult to discuss things with. I did not say that at all. What I did say is that I disagree a wild celebration means people care more and therefore its more important.
I may have celebrated wildly when I beat my friend playing pool down the pub yet shown much less outward emotion when a relative died or when my girlfriend said yes to my marriage proposal, are you really telling me the game of pool was most important because of the manner I reacted? Of course not, because that would be stupid. You are comparing competely different kinds of emotions that have nothing to do with what we are talking about here. Please use a bit of common sense and compare like with llike. We are talking about football here and the emotion when scoring and winning etc. Not comparing this to losing a loved one or anything else |
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Seems like outdated nonsense to be talking about a Champions League not being for Champions only.
It might have resembled mildly interesting pub chatter in the mid to late 90s. Sometimes, it might be better to go back to how things used to be. If any business lost very close to 40% of it's customers in 5 years, they would accept that their business is failing and set about trying to turn it round. The CL has become very drawn out and stale. I prefer a good EPL game any day of the week to 90% of the CL games. |
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NO CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL is ever shown on two different channels at the same time but the world cup final ALWAYS IS why? Because more people tune in to watch. Simple as that.
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You say that a day after Brits have voted to turn the clock back 40 years.
Sometimes, it might be better to go back to how things used to be. If any business lost very close to 40% of it's customers in 5 years, they would accept that their business is failing and set about trying to turn it round. Quote:
The CL has become very drawn out and stale. I prefer a good EPL game any day of the week to 90% of the CL games.
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