I wonder why that is

I asked for this thread to be closed, but the most ridiculous excuses keep being thought up by Ron fans to defend their point of view.
I'll ask again for the mods to close this thread.

I called the prancing primadonna out before a ball had been kicked. I have been proven right, you can't take it so resort to that.

Why would have such a bizarre vendetta against a single footballer is beyond me. But apparently anyone who thinks a man with a record of better than a goal a game for Real Madrid is any good is just a fanboy so this is a fantasy universe I feel like I don't fit into.

Why should the thread be closed because you want it to be? How odd.

If people find your views silly Im not sure thats reason enough to take your ball and go home.

Someone said it was going round in circles and I agreed.
Then his fans and you, keep coming back with ever more wild excuses for his dire performances.

Haven't seen a single excuse made for him and my very point has centred around the fact that he hasn't played well but you're so bizarrely entrenched that you aren't even reading what is being said properly.

When have i ever said he is not a top class club player? Never have, never will because his record and perfomances for his club are there for all to see!
See, you can't have read this thread properly, because if you had you'd see that nobody doubts what he does at club level.

Yet he can't be a "great" because in your eyes he hasn't done it at the "top" level, a level where journeymen, hasbeens and neverweres are succeeding and managers sacked by Fulham and strikers who can't get a club are doing well. The strange definition of "top level" ever!

Yes, I did see your comment about him not playing well, but you then came out with the stuff about one quality goal and Portugal being in the SF.

Both things that are factually correct. This "top level" that you speak of is one where a team can get to the semi's without winning a game in 90 mins and a player who has has played badly could finish up captaining the winners and scoring one of the goals of the competition. These things are unquestionably true.

Welsh players who have played at levels higher than they normally reach. It's called rising to the occassion in sports. Just the complete opposite of what Ron and England players do.
Journyman, 40/1 shot Buster Douglas obliterating the fearsome, unbeaten, unbeatable Mike Tyson.
Leicester City, 5000/1 shots winning the richest league in the world.
That is sport for you.

I know, and its brilliant and I'm loving every minute of it, however once again its not a good benchmark for judging and defining quality because good as Wales have been its surprising to see them in the semi's and we are both agreed that Portugal have got there despite being mostly dreadful.

Wow seeing those Welsh players tonight looking so happy makes me think that if that was Champions league game, they would be happy but not like what we saw tonight

It proves that nothing comes close than playing for your country

That is definite proof.

Winning leagues and Champions Leagues, World player of the Year Awards and having a better than a goal game record for one of the greatest teams in the world is not rising to the occasion? Are you quite mad?

Do you not know the circumstances of Douglas beating Tyson? Do you REALLY not see how that isn't really comparable to anything and even if Tyson wasn't in the middle of a personal meltdown and hadn't trained for the fight are you familiar with the phrase "punchers chance"?

Dear oh dear. Desperate stuff.

Every single time you keep going back to what he has done at club level when you know damn well that is not and never has been in question.
For the very last time on that particular bit. With All the ALLTIME GREATS they did for both clubs and country at tournament level. It has always been the case of having to do it at both levels to be a true all time great, with the odd exception like s Best, who never got the chance.
After decades it had always been about doing it for club and country. Suddenly, I come on here and see the goal posts have been shifted by Ron fans, and now a layer only had to do it at club level to be great.

Rising to the occasion at club level is one thing, doing it for literally millions of people back home is another.
Conte, manager of a Euro giant club, says this is bigger, it's for the Italian people, not just a fraction of them.
The comments from Gerrard about the mental pressure he admits he couldn't get over no matter how much he wanted to.

As for Tyson. I used to box at club level. I was in an area that was one of the first to have cable and was watching Tyson fights before anyone knew about him in this country. I don't buy this personal meltdown excuse. He was a bully who could never do it under pressure. Even his original 'team Tyson' when at his peak knew he was very mentally fragile
Kevin Rooney later went on to say he would have been beaten earlier had other fighters come to fight, rathet than shit themselves and just try to survive.

Anyway, you dissed the quality of this tournament.
What about the CL being won by a struggling Chelsea team who finished 6th in the EPL that season?
What about the mighty Barca. Two nil up at home against that struggling Chelsra team who were down to ten men and their best defender, JT. All that and they still went out.
But. nothing will ever top a 5000/1 shot winning the biggest league in the world. Club football top class, or a lot of mediocrity everywhere?

Can I just say that in the last two CL finals that Real won, Ron was mostly invisible for the whole game. Bale, on the other hand, played great. Just saying...

Well it was pretty obvious to most observers, obviously not all, that he wasn't fully fit for this season's final.

He was a major injury doubt prior to the game and plainly, needs to work on his fitness.

Fat Ron never played in a World Cup when fully fit, but still did the business.

You're sure you have the right Ronaldo this time, because you didn't earlier in the thread?

Is no one going to ask the obvious question about whether Dixon thinks player 'passion' for international tournaments actually equates to higher quality of football?

Fat Ron was the boss

I have said it is not a fit and proper benchmark. I am still not a Ronaldo "fan" since yesterday despite your continued suggestion that I hold my opinion because i am. He is simply an illustration which disproves the suggestion that in order to be a great you have to do it for both club and country. Its really THAT simple. Week in week out performance is a benchmark, a number of things you have no control over coming together in the close season every four years is not.


Of course its bigger "for the italian people" thats obvious because they are a collective until rather than their loyalties being split among various clubs but if you are telling me that there is more pressure on Ronaldo playing for Portugal than there is playing for Real Madrid then you are incredibly misguided.


I have no idea what you boxing at club level has to do with Mike Tyson losing to Buster Douglas. Tyson was mentally insecure from day one but the reason he lost to Buster Douglas was because he was in the middle of a complete meltdown in his private life, had drug issues and hadn't been training. Douglas had a punchers chance and won. It happens on a one off basis for a variety of reasons. In footballing terms its the equivalent of winning one game, its doesn't stand up to any form of comparison really though.


Totally agree with you which is why Im am not judging a player on one tournament, Im looking at 10 years of doing it, thats what Ive been saying. We aren't talking about Ronaldo (to continue using his example) winning one cup, or managing one good season. We are talking about a player doing it week in week out for 10 years.


Winning a league title can never be mediocre.