Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“Winning leagues and Champions Leagues, World player of the Year Awards and having a better than a goal game record for one of the greatest teams in the world is not rising to the occasion? Are you quite mad?
Do you not know the circumstances of Douglas beating Tyson? Do you REALLY not see how that isn't really comparable to anything and even if Tyson wasn't in the middle of a personal meltdown and hadn't trained for the fight are you familiar with the phrase "punchers chance"?
Dear oh dear. Desperate stuff.”
Every single time you keep going back to what he has done at club level when you know damn well that is not and never has been in question.
For the very last time on that particular bit. With All the ALLTIME GREATS they did for both clubs and country at tournament level. It has always been the case of having to do it at both levels to be a true all time great, with the odd exception like s Best, who never got the chance.
After decades it had always been about doing it for club and country. Suddenly, I come on here and see the goal posts have been shifted by Ron fans, and now a layer only had to do it at club level to be great.
Rising to the occasion at club level is one thing, doing it for literally millions of people back home is another.
Conte, manager of a Euro giant club, says this is bigger, it's for the Italian people, not just a fraction of them.
The comments from Gerrard about the mental pressure he admits he couldn't get over no matter how much he wanted to.
As for Tyson. I used to box at club level. I was in an area that was one of the first to have cable and was watching Tyson fights before anyone knew about him in this country. I don't buy this personal meltdown excuse. He was a bully who could never do it under pressure. Even his original 'team Tyson' when at his peak knew he was very mentally fragile
Kevin Rooney later went on to say he would have been beaten earlier had other fighters come to fight, rathet than shit themselves and just try to survive.
Anyway, you dissed the quality of this tournament.
What about the CL being won by a struggling Chelsea team who finished 6th in the EPL that season?
What about the mighty Barca. Two nil up at home against that struggling Chelsra team who were down to ten men and their best defender, JT. All that and they still went out.

But. nothing will ever top a 5000/1 shot winning the biggest league in the world. Club football top class, or a lot of mediocrity everywhere?