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Ok, Dixon I've agreed with you so far, but Ronaldo (and Nani) have dragged that horrendous Portugal team to the final by hook or by crook (and a lot of divine intervention). That's an achievement in itself.
True greats show up in the crucial moments and I must say that's what Ronaldo did. He kept them in the tournament against Hungary, he gave the assist in the Croatia game when it looked deadlocked, he scored a penalty and motivated his team mates to take penalties against Poland and he scored and gave an assist tonight. Ronaldo did well and I hope he manages to find some bizarre way of sabotaging Germany/France and lifting that trophy on Sunday! |
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Ok, Dixon I've agreed with you so far, but Ronaldo (and Nani) have dragged that horrendous Portugal team to the final by hook or by crook (and a lot of divine intervention). That's an achievement in itself.
True greats show up in the crucial moments and I must say that's what Ronaldo did. He kept them in the tournament against Hungary, he gave the assist in the Croatia game when it looked deadlocked, he scored a penalty and motivated his team mates to take penalties against Poland and he scored and gave an assist tonight. Ronaldo did well and I hope he manages to find some bizarre way of sabotaging Germany/France and lifting that trophy on Sunday! |
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If we see Portugal win the Euros on Sunday
Will we see Ronaldo celebrating like he has won the Champions League Or will he be crying with tears of joy of the achievement at winning a trophy playing for your country |
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We need definitive guide to which emotion relates to which competition, so if you see a photo of someone crying you can say 'those are League 2 playoff semi-final tears'
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"horrendous Portugal team"
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Ronaldo could score a hat trick in the final then move into goals and save a penalty and Dixon will still find a way to move the goalposts.
I have not moved the goal posts one inch. I never said anything about his team needing to win or scoring a few games against the likes of Hungary or Wales. I talked about his performance. Again, even yesderday he was largely dreadful but for a couple of touches. 6 games and probably 3 class touches of the ball. The rest he had looked like Harry Kane. |
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Was there a mandate in this forum I missed about how it's a bannable offence to acknowledge any middle ground between amazing and terrible?
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He'll be facing a decent team for the first time here, so let's see how he does. If he plays a great game ( a goal does not equal a great performance by a supposed allltime great) then I will hold my hand up.
I have not moved the goal posts one inch. I never said anything about his team needing to win or scoring a few games against the likes of Hungary or Wales. I talked about his performance. Again, even yesderday he was largely dreadful but for a couple of touches. 6 games and probably 3 class touches of the ball. The rest he had looked like Harry Kane. He has been utterly vital to his nation getting to a final when most have said they are not a great team. He scored two vital goals to get them out of the group, he captained the team and now in a semi final he scored the opening goal and got the assist for the second. The general consensus has been "Any team with Ronaldo in it has a chance" and now they find themselves in the final. His second major tournament final at international level I might add. By any of your own past benchmarks he has delivered so now we have to have the benchmark shifted. You called him a "flat track bully" in the past when he scored multiple goals in games (even though he has done that against all types of opposition) yet when he grabs vital goals and assists in vital games that's dismissed as not counting because he HASN'T dominated the game! You couldn't make it up! |
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I have not moved the goal posts one inch.
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This thread might as well be titled "I hate Ronaldo"
You can almost taste the tears. |
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Goal and an assist in a tournament semi-final. That Ronaldo is pure shite, isn't he?
![]() Portugal will be best served if the manager ‘rests’ him for the final against France/Germany on Sunday night. They have no chance of lifting the trophy if Ronaldo plays,…that much is blindingly obvious; …maybe the Portuguese manager will finally come to his senses and drop this ‘has-been’ before Sundays showdown. |
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He'll be facing a decent team for the first time here, so let's see how he does. If he plays a great game ( a goal does not equal a great performance by a supposed allltime great) then I will hold my hand up.
I have not moved the goal posts one inch. I never said anything about his team needing to win or scoring a few games against the likes of Hungary or Wales. I talked about his performance. Again, even yesderday he was largely dreadful but for a couple of touches. 6 games and probably 3 class touches of the ball. The rest he had looked like Harry Kane.
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Even though he's appeared throughout, I keep being surprised by the presence of Ricardo Quaresma. Last I knew he was stinking up the San Siro nearly 10 years ago, he really should be half-arsing it for Orlando FC or one of those Indian teams now.
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You dont have to like Cristiano as a person (which is totally fine ) but to deny this man's talent ( or love for his own national team ) and insane work ethic is just pure hate. That is the thing I like and admire about him the most. The crazy work ethic that he has. I dont even think that some people understand; Like this guy works/trains like crazy. Not saying that other players dont but he is on another level. As a football fan, you have to at least appreciate that. I personally dont like Messi as a person, I am indifferent towards him actually but he is an incredibly talented man; like I am in awe sometimes watching him play just like I am watching Cristiano play.
I hate when some people cant be objective and use their dislike for a player to cloud their judgements. Dont even know why I bother but reading some comments in this thread, I can just SMH. |
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Ronaldo could score a hat trick in the final then move into goals and save a penalty and Dixon will still find a way to move the goalposts.
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This thread might as well be titled "I hate Ronaldo"
You can almost taste the tears. Quote:
He'll be facing a decent team for the first time here, so let's see how he does. If he plays a great game ( a goal does not equal a great performance by a supposed allltime great) then I will hold my hand up.
I have not moved the goal posts one inch. I never said anything about his team needing to win or scoring a few games against the likes of Hungary or Wales. I talked about his performance. Again, even yesderday he was largely dreadful but for a couple of touches. 6 games and probably 3 class touches of the ball. The rest he had looked like Harry Kane. But I can see where you are coming from. We don't see any divine magic from Ronaldo at this tournament (or any of the past tournaments) like we did from the likes of Zidane in 2006, Maradona in 1986, Cruyff in 1974, Rossi in 1982, Baggio in 1994, Pirlo in 2012 or my beloved Cannavaro in 2006 (the list is not exhaustive by the way) but... Ronaldo is a different player to those on the list. He doesn't play like Suarez whose presence changes the whole game, but he mainly pops up in crucial moments and scores goals or provides assists. He really did drag this Portugal team to the final - not by magic, but by stepping it up in the most important moments. That's a sign of the very best Quote:
"horrendous Portugal team"
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Was there a mandate in this forum I missed about how it's a bannable offence to acknowledge any middle ground between amazing and terrible?
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You dont have to like Cristiano as a person (which is totally fine ) but to deny this man's talent ( or love for his own national team ) and insane work ethic is just pure hate. That is the thing I like and admire about him the most. The crazy work ethic that he has. I dont even think that some people understand; Like this guy works/trains like crazy. Not saying that other players dont but he is on another level. As a football fan, you have to at least appreciate that. I personally dont like Messi as a person, I am indifferent towards him actually but he is an incredibly talented man; like I am in awe sometimes watching him play just like I am watching Cristiano play.
I hate when some people cant be objective and use their dislike for a player to cloud their judgements. Dont even know why I bother but reading some comments in this thread, I can just SMH. Quote:
Even though he's appeared throughout, I keep being surprised by the presence of Ricardo Quaresma. Last I knew he was stinking up the San Siro nearly 10 years ago, he really should be half-arsing it for Orlando FC or one of those Indian teams now.
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Of course you are moving the goalposts!
He has been utterly vital to his nation getting to a final when most have said they are not a great team. He scored two vital goals to get them out of the group, he captained the team and now in a semi final he scored the opening goal and got the assist for the second. The general consensus has been "Any team with Ronaldo in it has a chance" and now they find themselves in the final. His second major tournament final at international level I might add. By any of your own past benchmarks he has delivered so now we have to have the benchmark shifted. You called him a "flat track bully" in the past when he scored multiple goals in games (even though he has done that against all types of opposition) yet when he grabs vital goals and assists in vital games that's dismissed as not counting because he HASN'T dominated the game! You couldn't make it up! Again, for the hundredth time, all along i have talked his individual performances. Are you, or anyone on here saying he's played anywhere near what would be considered great, or at least at one time was considered to be someone having great games. A goal in a game now means someone had a great game. ![]() ![]() We now count a penalty as great play. We now count him scuffing another terrible shot and the ball landing at Nani's feet as an assist and great play. Truly embarrassing! Take away the excellent header, his performance was shockingly bad, as it has been all through this tournament, apart from two headers. Shots ending up as passes. Shots going all over the shop. Free kicks going all over the shop. Complete air shots, not even connecting with the ball. Not once has he ran at the defence. Continually had the ball taken off him. Berating team mates when they lose the ball, berating team mates when he loses the ball. Five yard pass after five yard pass. If that's what you class as great, it is nothing more than an insult to the greats of the past and what they had to do to be classed as having a great tournament. Yes, with his couple of goals he has done more than the other players in his team, but that does not mean he's had a great tournament. His two headers have stopped him from having a truly atrocious tournament, not a great one. To try and put his performances here. alongside the greats who had great tournaments is just a joke. |
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Take away the excellent header, his performance was shockingly bad
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Again, for the hundredth time, all along i have talked his individual performances.
Are you, or anyone on here saying he's played anywhere near what would be considered great, or at least at one time was considered to be someone having great games. A goal in a game now means someone had a great game. ![]() ![]() Quote:
We now count a penalty as great play.
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We now count him scuffing another terrible shot and the ball landing at Nani's feet as an assist and great play. Truly embarrassing!
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Take away the excellent header, his performance was shockingly bad, as it has been all through this tournament, apart from two headers.
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Shots ending up as passes.
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Shots going all over the shop.
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Free kicks going all over the shop.
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Complete air shots, not even connecting with the ball.
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Not once has he ran at the defence.
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Continually had the ball taken off him.
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Berating team mates when they lose the ball, berating team mates when he loses the ball.
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Five yard pass after five yard pass.
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If that's what you class as great, it is nothing more than an insult to the greats of the past and what they had to do to be classed as having a great tournament.
It not what anyone classes as great but most know a great player when they see one and most know that true greats can make the difference to their team and elevate them higher than they would otherwise go (your words) and Ronaldo has done exactly that because he has led his team to the final. That is the bottom line despite the hilarity of your confused bitterness.Quote:
Yes, with his couple of goals he has done more than the other players in his team, but that does not mean he's had a great tournament. His two headers have stopped him from having a truly atrocious tournament, not a great one.
Makes you wonder how Portugal are in the final then doesn't it? Either your precious International football isn't the high standard and peak you continually suggest it is, or Ronaldo and his team haven't been quite as atrocious as you paint? I wonder which one it is?Quote:
To try and put his performances here. alongside the greats who had great tournaments is just a joke.
Only one joke here.
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Look, international football is the ultimate standard of how to judge a player, because reasons. Until Ronaldo's team is doing well, in which case it's shite. It's not that hard to follow!
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He has had a massive influence - the pivotal influence - in getting his country to a major international final. However you want to dress it up or make excuses for it thats what he has done. You have managed to belittle his club career as phenomenal as it is by putting international football on a pedestal yet when he is the key, regardless of how you think he has played, to his country being successful you have to crap all over that too. Its embarrassing.
No one has said that Its an assist, you have made the "great play" bit up - again. So take away the goals he's scored? Why would you do that? These goals win games. You've said that already You are repeating yourself Free kicks are shots you are repeating yourself And again. Lies Impressive what with him not running at any defences. Irrelevant. And lets not pretend that if he was quiet you wouldn't be using that to suggest that he isn't captain material So accurate passes are now frowned upon in your mythical world? It not what anyone classes as great but most know a great player when they see one and most know that true greats can make the difference to their team and elevate them higher than they would otherwise go (your words) and Ronaldo has done exactly that because he has led his team to the final. That is the bottom line despite the hilarity of your confused bitterness. Makes you wonder how Portugal are in the final then doesn't it? Either your precious International football isn't the high standard and peak you continually suggest it is, or Ronaldo and his team haven't been quite as atrocious as you paint? I wonder which one it is? Only one joke here. Even the commentators last night said Ronaldo should be dissapointed with his play in this tournament. He scores s goal and suddenly everything is forgiven. ![]() Yes, technically it was an assist, but had it not gone straight to Nani, a shot would have gone out for a throw in. That is how bad it was. Five yard passes are fine for a journeyman player. I expect way more than that from s so called all time great. He had not had any great runs through a defence. He has had the ball taken off him countless times. Two headers from open play against two teams that haven't played at this level for decades. He could not possibly have wished for an easier ride. I then think back to Cruyff making mugs out of brilliant Italian defences. Making mugs out of Brazil, who were the reigning champs. Running through s great German team. Pele, head and shoulders above everyone else in an inctefibly high quality 1970. Maradona, not just scoring two important goals, but playing brilliantly and destroying teams on his own. Assists galore, and not one of them came from a shot that would have gone for a throw. Sorry, i have to say it again. To try and pretend Ronalfo's performances are remotely in the same class is just a downright insult to Pele and co! |
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Look, international football is the ultimate standard of how to judge a player, because reasons. Until Ronaldo's team is doing well, in which case it's shite. It's not that hard to follow!
The standard of the WC in South Africa was pretty lame. It's the same at club level though, across Europe. The poorest to average are at a higher level, but the cream are not as good as they once were. Where are the great new players? How many of the top players have been great? It's been a decent tournament in terms of the crowds and the wonderful atmospheres. Games played in a very good spirit with little nastiness or thuggery. Great to see a tiny nation like Iceland do so well. Not too many games that really stank, but not enough great ones to make it a great tournament. I'd give it about a 6.5/10.,But we still have a semi and final to go, so it could still get better. |
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This thread might as well be titled "I hate Ronaldo"
You can almost taste the tears. There's a link here, both good looking chaps, both Portuguese. There's a word for this......... |
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I have already adressed the current state of both national and club level football.
Even the commentators last night said Ronaldo should be dissapointed with his play in this tournament. He scores s goal and suddenly everything is forgiven. ![]() Yes, technically it was an assist, but had it not gone straight to Nani, a shot would have gone out for a throw in. That is how bad it was. Five yard passes are fine for a journeyman player. I expect way more than that from s so called all time great. He had not had any great runs through a defence. He has had the ball taken off him countless times. Two headers from open play against two teams that haven't played at this level for decades. He could not possibly have wished for an easier ride. I then think back to Cruyff making mugs out of brilliant Italian defences. Making mugs out of Brazil, who were the reigning champs. Running through s great German team. Pele, head and shoulders above everyone else in an inctefibly high quality 1970. Maradona, not just scoring two important goals, but playing brilliantly and destroying teams on his own. Assists galore, and not one of them came from a shot that would have gone for a throw. Sorry, i have to say it again. To try and pretend Ronalfo's performances are remotely in the same class is just a downright insult to Pele and co! Ronaldo has won Leagues and Champions League titles with two of the biggest teams in the world. He has won numerous player of the year awards, he has broken goalscoring records along with Messi on an almost weekly basis but none of this was deemed enough for you because of this mythical International football thing hanging over him. First you said that a player had to be successful at International level to be a great, then when people pointed out the players who have failed to win titles at International level or have had the misfortune due to birth to play for lesser countries you changed it to "no one said anything about winning its about taking your country higher than they would go". Ronaldo has captained his country to the final, they may win it they may not. By your own admission Portugal have not been good so by your very own definition, invented by you and based on nothing, Ronaldo has, regardless of how you think he has played overall, been the stark difference between success and failure for this Portugal side. Team captain and scorer of vital goals. Still of course this isn't enough and you look for something else....... Surely, surely you can see how silly you are being? When the overall question of how great a player Ronaldo is and you are looking at his career overall, not only will you have the ever growing list of club achievements you will have two major international finals as well, one of which he captained the team. By any definition of the word that is the very epitome of greatness and its churlish not to be big enough to recognise it. However, Portugal haven't played well and are in the final so my original point back when this started remains - International football is not a good judge of greatness. Your problem is you now either have to agree with me because Portugal have reached the final, or disagree with me and acknowledge the greatness of their captain. Oh dear. You will of course do neither, but people can read and judge for themselves. |
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This thread might as well be titled "I hate Ronaldo"
You can almost taste the tears. We are living through a great period of time with him and Messi being just so unbelievably great, that once they retire, it will only truly be then, that we will even start to begin to understand quite how great they both were. We should be treasuring and enjoying watching them both achieve what they are achieving whilst they are still playing, rather than looking for any possible faults in their games. |
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