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The players and fans showing the Euros is far more important than the CL.
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batdude_uk1
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“So no player from a minority country can ever be truly great just because of where they were born - no matter how good they are or what they achieve with their clubs?

Do you realise how daft that is?”

The two George's prove this to not be the case (Best and Weah).
shaneomax
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by celesti:
“You always see Spanish defences concede to players who used to play for their district, I'm with shane.”

looool like i said theres only about 4-5 decent teams in the primera leagu if i had suarez and neymar with me im sure ill get a few goals be honest lol
shaneomax
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“The two George's prove this to not be the case (Best and Weah).”

you have your levels u got pele and diego.. Big line tyen you got your zidanes ronaldo best messi levels.
celesti
20-06-2016
If I was on Roger Federer's team I reckon we'd win a few rounds on the doubles at Wimbledon. I used to be pretty good at badminton so it's close enough.
shaneomax
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by celesti:
“If I was on Roger Federer's team I reckon we'd win a few rounds on the doubles at Wimbledon. I used to be pretty good at badminton so it's close enough.”

you probably would lol
FMKK
20-06-2016
You'd probably do alright in the Brazil 1970 side as well then. They were really good. Which means Pele must be shite.
shaneomax
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“You'd probably do alright in the Brazil 1970 side as well then. They were really good. Which means Pele must be shite.”

that im not sure of cuz they played strong opposition at a very high level. Barca is in the primera league so i might not score vs real, atletico, sevilla, villareal but i could probably nick a few against
The likes of Levante, vallacano, eibar and granada and a good few others.
shaneomax
20-06-2016
This is a good article on the overhype.
http://www.phantis.com/blogs/midfiel...modern-globali
celesti
20-06-2016
Nah, that's all bias and delusion lol
shaneomax
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by celesti:
“Nah, that's all bias and delusion lol”

lol u didnt even read it
celesti
20-06-2016
Of course not, just skimmed some words and disagreed
shaneomax
20-06-2016
Lollolololl
Stilton Cheesew
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by shaneomax:
“you have your levels u got pele and diego.. Big line tyen you got your zidanes ronaldo best messi levels.”

How many full matches have you seen Pele play?
Dixon
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“You'd probably do alright in the Brazil 1970 side as well then. They were really good. Which means Pele must be shite.”

66 Worl Cup - Pele scores in first gane but is kicked to bits and misses secod game which Brazil lose.
Pele back for third game, kicked to bits again with no action taken by the ref and limps round the pitch.
No subs allowed and Brazil are knocked out.
Pele says he'll never play in another WC

70 WC. Brazil play some of the most memorable football ever seen in one of the all time classic tournaments. Pele is the star of the show and they of course go on to win it.

74 WC - Pele retired, they are made to look third rate by Holland, to the point where they were reduced to trying to hack down the Dutch to try and stop them.

See, no Pele, no great Brazil.
Jamesp84
20-06-2016
I feel the collective forum IQ dropping with every post that a certain poster is making.
FMKK
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“66 Worl Cup - Pele scores in first gane but is kicked to bits and misses secod game which Brazil lose.
Pele back for third game, kicked to bits again with no action taken by the ref and limps round the pitch.
No subs allowed and Brazil are knocked out.
Pele says he'll never play in another WC

70 WC. Brazil play some of the most memorable football ever seen in one of the all time classic tournaments. Pele is the star of the show and they of course go on to win it.

74 WC - Pele retired, they are made to look third rate by Holland, to the point where they were reduced to trying to hack down the Dutch to try and stop them.

See, no Pele, no great Brazil.”

I think you've missed my point.
Dixon
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“You weren't being asked to remember it against the clock for money. If it 'lives long in the memory' and you are using it as a basis of an argument then it might help if you could actually remember it. Cristiano Ronaldo at Real Madrid is breaking every scoring record going, did Fat Ronaldo do that?”

I was not thinking against the clock but I was posting off the top of my head and simply had a complete blank moment. If you want to keep bringing up an honest dumb mistake in order to score points, then go ahead.

As for scoring records at RM. So flipping what!
He's in a top team in a league where 6-0 scorelinrs against weak teams are common place. Ronaldo scored lots of goals too. C Ron is now 31, fat Ron was in serious decline years before that age due to his injuries. Take into account football all levels fat Ron's achievements pee all over C Ron's! An unfit fat Ron was better at this level than 'C Ron.
celesti
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“66 Worl Cup - Pele scores in first gane but is kicked to bits and misses secod game which Brazil lose.
Pele back for third game, kicked to bits again with no action taken by the ref and limps round the pitch.
No subs allowed and Brazil are knocked out.
Pele says he'll never play in another WC

70 WC. Brazil play some of the most memorable football ever seen in one of the all time classic tournaments. Pele is the star of the show and they of course go on to win it.

74 WC - Pele retired, they are made to look third rate by Holland, to the point where they were reduced to trying to hack down the Dutch to try and stop them.

See, no Pele, no great Brazil.”

1982 side wasn't bad.
Dixon
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“I feel the collective forum IQ dropping with every post that a certain poster is making.”

Some on here have used the excuse about the quality of the other players in various teams affecting the ability of how a great player can or cannot perform.
I was pointing out that even the greatest era of Brazilian football relied massively on one player doing his stuff.
Stilton Cheesew
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“I was not thinking against the clock but I was posting off the top of my head and simply had a complete blank moment. If you want to keep bringing up an honest dumb mistake in order to score points, then go ahead.

As for scoring records at RM. So flipping what!
He's in a top team in a league where 6-0 scorelinrs against weak teams are common place. Ronaldo scored lots of goals too. C Ron is now 31, fat Ron was in serious decline years before that age due to his injuries. Take into account football all levels fat Ron's achievements pee all over C Ron's! An unfit fat Ron was better at this level than 'C Ron.”

Thats just simply not true. Not true at all. You dont like Ronaldo , we get it, but you just look silly when you try to demonstrate that he is not at the very top level of the game and has been for a decade.
batdude_uk1
20-06-2016
You don't score the vast quantity of goals in such a short period of time, and have the goals to game ratio that he does if you are just a mere average player.
Dixon
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by celesti:
“1982 side wasn't bad.”

They were a wonderful team! I could never tire of watching that style of football.
However, I was referring to the Pele era and just after to show just how big a difference he made to them.
Won in 58 & 62 with Pele. Struggled in 66 due to him being hacked to pieces. Won in 70. Third rate in 74 without him.
Dixon
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“Thats just simply not true. Not true at all. You dont like Ronaldo , we get it, but you just look silly when you try to demonstrate that he is not at the very top level of the game and has been for a decade.”

For the millionth time - Great at club level only!!!!!!!
computermaster
20-06-2016
We can't just compare them like that. Each major competition has it's own hype and it's own buzz/style to it (including FA Cup though perhaps to a lesser extent). They are all entertaining in different ways.
celesti
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“They were a wonderful team! I could never tire of watching that style of football.
However, I was referring to the Pele era and just after to show just how big a difference he made to them.
Won in 58 & 62 with Pele. Struggled in 66 due to him being hacked to pieces. Won in 70. Third rate in 74 without him.”

Only a small handful of the 1970 squad were there four years later and they still finished fourth. Players can be idolised without ignoring the team around them.
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