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Old 22-06-2016, 19:24
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A table goes by points no matter how they're earned, can't really be much fairer.
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:30
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Albania have won a game and aren't going through whilst Portugal draw 3 times and are through. How is that fair?
or... albania lost twice & portugal are unbeaten.
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:34
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A table goes by points no matter how they're earned, can't really be much fairer.
Is it fair that the teams who play later in the calendar have the advantage of knowing exactly what they need to get points/goals wise in order to qualify?

Unlucky Albania.
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:36
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Maybe not, but there's no way around it with this format. That's why they should change it to 32 so your qualification from a group depends only on what happens in your group.
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Old 22-06-2016, 20:18
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So it's:

Croatia v Portugal
Germany v Slovakia
France v Group E team, if they qualify, otherwise Northern Ireland
Wales v Turkey, if they qualify, otherwise Northern Ireland

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Old 22-06-2016, 21:20
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So it's:

Croatia v Portugal
Germany v Slovakia
France v Group E team, if they qualify, otherwise Northern Ireland
Wales v Turkey, if they qualify, otherwise Northern Ireland
From an English point of view, Northern Ireland are the only one of the three teams that would have a chance of beating France. Sweden or Ireland, I could not see coming close to it.
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Old 22-06-2016, 21:23
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I wouldn't fancy any of them against France.
Belgium could still finish third in group E, mind. I wouldn't bet on them either, but they could beat France on a good day.
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Old 22-06-2016, 21:47
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Republic vs France

Northen Ireland vs Wales

As it stands you couldn't make this up

Henry as a pundit?
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Old 22-06-2016, 21:48
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It may have been mentioned here already, but how did they decide which 3rd place team plays in which game in the next round? Was there a draw?
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Old 22-06-2016, 21:48
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Republic vs France

Northen Ireland vs Wales

As it stands you couldn't make this up

Henry as a pundit?
Handball and all that
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Old 22-06-2016, 21:52
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Blimey. If England beat Iceland there will be two British national teams in separate quarter-finals!

(...and then none in the semi-finals )
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Old 22-06-2016, 21:53
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It may have been mentioned here already, but how did they decide which 3rd place team plays in which game in the next round? Was there a draw?
There's a table of events so to speak.

Depending on which combination of best 4 groups there is, depends on which of the select 4 group winners play the top 4 3rd places.

See the combinations table here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_E...knockout_phase
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Old 22-06-2016, 21:57
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It's quite an interesting maths problem, actually, if that's your thing. How to set it up to guarantee that teams from each group are fairly evenly distributed on either side of the draw, whatever the group results. Because you want to avoid having teams from the same group meeting too soon.
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Old 22-06-2016, 21:58
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Thanks. I'm not gonna lie, that actually made my head hurt.
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Old 22-06-2016, 22:27
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There's been a lot of disapproval with regards to the 3rd place system, some of it justified perhaps.

But I bet you NOBODY on the island of Ireland is complaining at the moment.
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Old 22-06-2016, 22:28
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There's been a lot of disapproval with regards to the 3rd place system, some of it justified perhaps.

But I bet you NOBODY on the island of Ireland is complaining at the moment.
No chance!

No one in Portugal complaining either.
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Old 22-06-2016, 22:55
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There's been a lot of disapproval with regards to the 3rd place system, some of it justified perhaps.

But I bet you NOBODY on the island of Ireland is complaining at the moment.
It's great and all that, but this is why tournaments always get bigger and never get smaller. Football federations operate on a one nation, one vote basis. Hence smaller countries get a disproportionately large say. And when it comes to questions such as "should the Euros have more teams?" they always say "yes".

I think it devalues the tournament, myself. After all the qualification groups and all these group games we still have nearly a third of UEFA in the competition. It's more like Big Brother than a football tournament, with this week's worst team being eliminated.
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