Only deluded idiots were "hailing" him a tactical genius. He put on more strikers when they were losing. Wow ! Vardy scored with his only contribution in 45 minutes with a fortunate goal and Sturridge got a last minute winner.

There were some very good shots last night, most of them blocked by great defending. There was one cleared off the line, and the keeper made a couple of good saves.

I'm happy with dominating a game, keeping the ball comfortably, and trying to score. We've scored goals in the pre tournament games, but they have been hard to come by for better teams than us here.

Two years since he lost one then. Not too shabby.

Forget qualifying games, that clearly shows us nothing. In finals he has won just 3 out of 10 games over 3 different tournaments. He has won just ONE out of the last 7 matches in tournaments..........and that was a last minute winner. It simply a shocking record and its amazing he still has a job.

Last minute goals count the same as earlier goals, I understand.

Yes, the culture of sack the manager every year seems to have slipped him by. Perhaps those in charge could see the players he's had in previous tournaments were never going to get anywhere.

We've played well for three games here, and the last minute winner thing is just straw clutching to bash him. What about the last minute equaliser by Russia? That was bad luck if the winner was good luck, but everyone ignores that, and blames Roy for it.

Lets face it, whoever is England manager gets the same shit from the same people every time.

So Costa Rica's players were better than England's in 2014? Seriously? Or Uruguay's (bar Suarez) were better than England's? Complete nonsense.

Each to their own I suppose, but I do quite like to see the opposition goalkeeper being made to work on a fair few occasions, blocked shots by defenders are all well and hood, but they don't really mean much from an attacking sense.

I am happy having the ball just like you, but I actually want to see an end product.

Take Germany today for example, Northern Ireland played quite a defensive game, yet they still managed to find openings, and make the Irish keeper work, that is what I would call a good performance under those sort of circumstances, and is something that I would have liked to have seen us do something similar last night.

I am honestly not asking for too much I think, other than to see us test their keeper, and look like we are trying to win the match, rather than looking a bit clueless on the ball, and lumping long balls, and poorly hit crosses into the box.

I think the World Champions against NI is a different thing. The NI players are generally lower league status, and yet they can get organised and defend to.

I think we all want an end product, but supporting a team isn't like that. Maybe you had years at Utd being used to that level, but most of us dont. We support our teams whatever the end product.

We were out by the time we played CR, and our side was pretty poor in the other games, although both defeats were narrow.

We are much better now.

I will say it again, Hodgson has won just ONE of the last SEVEN games in tournaments. Does any international manager in history have a worse record in finals ? Of course not, because they wouldnt have kept their job long enough to stay that long.

I think he has stayed as manager because there is no other manager that is avaliable that could do a better job

I hate it when people use this terrible excuse for a failing manager. No manager in the whole of the world who could do a better job. Really ?

Trying to figure out who England most likely will plat tomorrow, only one way I see them playing Portugal and that is if both games are draws and Portugal's game is a higher scoring draw then the Iceland-Austria one, don't think there's any other scenario where Portugal come 2nd

Why are you confused. We lost our last competitive game 2 years ago.

Alright Alright I got a big mad cuz I was working on Monday and OFF ON sATURDAY but I have swapped shifts so I can now watch the game on Monday. Still I dont like the fact there are only 2 rest days for the finals, should we make it that far. There is a tendency in ANY sport to simply break even rather than play your best when you know your already safe and hand on my heart I think that is what happened last night. It was sloppy let us be honest here. And overall we HAVE played well..We can do A LOT better than the second round and potentially can reach the quarters and even with a bit of luck and just that little bit more self belief who knows? England tend to play better when backs are against the wall and we have no doubt jst made it harder for ourselves, it might actually work out in our favour.

Well of course someone could do a better job, but who is avaliable

Sir Bobby Robson's record for losses shatters that. Were you asleep between 1986-1990?

Lost to Argentina in 1986, played 3, Lost 3 at Euro 88, 1-1, 0-0 and 1-0 to start Italy 90 and then three more draws in 90 minutes after that.

That was four straight defeats, slaughtered in three of them and six without a single win.

Only one normal time win in nine.

Roys certainly on the way down and I think even if he wins the tournament he will be replaced, the fact is he is 68 years old now. Kane taking corners was just inexplicable and then to break the momentum, we built after the Wales game was just startling. But I do think we should get behind the team now. Roy has made a few mad ones but hes also made some good ones, I can only hope he wakes up and stops thinking hes still playing the pre tournament friendlies.

It isn't a different thing at all, it is one team intent on defending against another team looking to break them down, Germany did it very, very well, whereas we most certainly did not.

Germany hit the bar twice, had other shots that the keeper saved, compared to us, where we had one shot in the first half, and one shot that was cleared off the line, and err that was about it really.

A manager especially at the top end of the game should know how to react and adapt to a team playing defensively, as that is surely one of the things that you get to practice during the exam to be a manager (or in Roy's case since he has been in the game pre-exams, he must have encountered such things during his long managerial tenure).

The Germans recognised what Northern Ireland were trying to do, and adapted accordingly, and very successful they were, we on the other hand perhaps saw what Slovakia were doing, but looked clueless as to what we should be doing so just slung long balls, and poor crosses into the box, even though we don't have any good forward attacking players that are good with their heads.

We did not adapt to the situation at all well.

As for the second part, my club side is irrelevant to this discussion, we ate talking about the national side, so my wishes/aims/desires (delete as appropriate), are totally different.

There is no threat from outside the area. Noone who can hit it from outside the box and scare the living crap out of the opponents, you need at least one of those types of players to break down a wall of defenders. Deli Alli can do that and so can Rooney but they were brought on far too late.

Spain didn't break up their momentum and run out of legs after an hour tonight. Del Bosque was being lauded for keeping the same side two hours ago. Chris Coleman was being lauded for making big changes to players and the formation despite beating Slovakia and lost.

Vardy and Sturridge had to start, Clyne was man of the match, Rooney had covered a marathon in two matches and still got 40 minutes, Wilshere needed the game time and Alli and Rose although good, had not been sensational.

Its all swings and roundabouts. You can argue anything to back-up your point or disprove it on either side.

Having a player that the opposition are scared of, or at least will pay them their fare share of respect, is vital, I am not sure Kane is at that level just yet.

We are severely lacking in creativity, it is totally bonkers to just be relying on a untested at this high level Ali, (brilliant season and all, but it was just his first at that level) there needs to be someone else that can pull the stings and create for the strikers, Rooney is trying to adapt to that role, and after that, there really isn't anyone else.

Whilshire in some people's eyes perhaps should be that player (not mine), but he is unfit and not ready for this high level.

It just comes back to Roy picking a very poor squad in terms of the balance he has got in it.

I agree with this. We saw Spain tonight playing their best team when they could have rested some players especially the ones who are a booking away from being suspended, but they lost the game, These things happen because Spain lost to a better team. We made changes to our team, we did not win but we did not lose either, so i think we should still be positive despite the result

Nah if anything the back 4 should have stayed the same, that is the key area where we need to try and build a forte and start to really understand each other and yet he still replaced two of them.. ask Lee Dixon. Sure we did not concede, but te fact Roy chose to do that is very questionable, but I am all for getting behind the team now.