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England Man of the Match- England VS Slovakia


View Poll Results: Who was your Man of the Match in England VS Slovakia?
Joe Hart 1 2.38%
Nathaniel Clyne 20 47.62%
Gary Cahill 1 2.38%
Chris Smalling 0 0%
Ryan Bertrand 1 2.38%
Jordan Henderson 1 2.38%
Eric Dier 8 19.05%
Jack Wilshire 0 0%
Adam Lallana 2 4.76%
Jamie Vardy 3 7.14%
Daniel Sturridge 2 4.76%
Wayne Rooney (substitute) 2 4.76%
Harry Kane (substitute) 0 0%
Dele Alli (substitute) 1 2.38%
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Old 21-06-2016, 10:56
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Sammer, cannavaro, dunga, Beckenbauer, Moore, thuram, cafu, lahm... Philippe Albert
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Old 21-06-2016, 10:56
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Noble. Drinkwater. Except they aren't spurs/liverpool.
The suggestion that Tottenham players have only been picked because they play for Tottenham tickles me. Kane was the league's stop scorer and nominated for POTY (and YPOTY), Alli won YPOTY, Rose was the left back in the TOTY, Dier and Walker were excellent all season. They are all there on merit.

Also, neither Noble or Drinkwater play the role that Dier does.

Best players for every other country are forwards, and attacking midfielders. For England it's a full back. Says it all.

1970 world cup, our star men were banks (the save) and Moore (the tackle). We go on about losing 1-0 to Brazil. In truth if your best men are defenders you are playing to not lose, rather than to win.

The players who really strike memories for England are Gazza, Beckham, shearer and so on. Forwards.
Why are you just ignoring how the fullbacks play in this system, and how many fullbacks plays these days? You really don't get it, do you? They are wingbacks, attacking as much as they are defending. As has been stated, Walker was MOTM more so because of his attacking play, and that is the same thing Clyne has received praise for.
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Old 21-06-2016, 10:57
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Best players for every other country are forwards, and attacking midfielders. For England it's a full back. Says it all.

1970 world cup, our star men were banks (the save) and Moore (the tackle). We go on about losing 1-0 to Brazil. In truth if your best men are defenders you are playing to not lose, rather than to win.

The players who really strike memories for England are Gazza, Beckham, shearer and so on. Forwards.
Most forwards have struggled so far, due to defensive abilities of all the teams.

Full backs attack now. Haven't you noticed that?
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Old 21-06-2016, 10:58
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Noble. Drinkwater. Except they aren't spurs/liverpool.
Nor do they play the Dier role. We dont have anyone else who can play anywhere close to how he plays in that position.
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Old 21-06-2016, 11:56
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The suggestion that Tottenham players have only been picked because they play for Tottenham tickles me. Kane was the league's stop scorer and nominated for POTY (and YPOTY), Alli won YPOTY, Rose was the left back in the TOTY, Dier and Walker were excellent all season. They are all there on merit.

Also, neither Noble or Drinkwater play the role that Dier does.



Why are you just ignoring how the fullbacks play in this system, and how many fullbacks plays these days? You really don't get it, do you? They are wingbacks, attacking as much as they are defending. As has been stated, Walker was MOTM more so because of his attacking play, and that is the same thing Clyne has received praise for.
of course I get it. They are full backs because they weren't good enough to be forwards. They need to play to Vardy's strengths. Get the ball up quick. No passing backwards and sideways. It just lets defenders get back. It's not just Vardy. Italy scored their first goal like that. Germany destroyed Brazil like that.

So who would you rather have. Dier or Payet? I take it they are equivalent. Would France pick Dier over Payet?
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Old 21-06-2016, 11:59
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'They are full backs because they weren't good enough to be forwards' is one of the worst things ever posted here.
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Old 21-06-2016, 12:10
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of course I get it. They are full backs because they weren't good enough to be forwards. They need to play to Vardy's strengths. Get the ball up quick. No passing backwards and sideways. It just lets defenders get back. It's not just Vardy. Italy scored their first goal like that. Germany destroyed Brazil like that.

So who would you rather have. Dier or Payet? I take it they are equivalent. Would France pick Dier over Payet?
What?! They're fullbacks/winbacks because that's their best position. They can defend, yet also have pace to get forward and add width, which is what wingbacks do.

Why are you comparing Payet and Dier? Dier is a defensive midfielder, Payet is an ACM. Why would I want Dier at ACM or Payet at DM?!
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Old 21-06-2016, 12:17
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'They are full backs because they weren't good enough to be forwards' is one of the worst things ever posted here.
We agree What is the world coming to
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Old 21-06-2016, 12:25
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I reckon we agree on quite a lot of stuff, it's just disagreements stand out more on forums.
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Old 21-06-2016, 12:36
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of course I get it. They are full backs because they weren't good enough to be forwards. They need to play to Vardy's strengths. Get the ball up quick. No passing backwards and sideways. It just lets defenders get back. It's not just Vardy. Italy scored their first goal like that. Germany destroyed Brazil like that.

So who would you rather have. Dier or Payet? I take it they are equivalent. Would France pick Dier over Payet?
Blimey. Perhaps your idea of a full back is Ron "Chopper" Harris, but times have changed. Walker and Rose are better than many wingers we see, and they get back and defend, which is why they are so vital.

As for replacing Dier with Payet.

Perhaps you could compare Payet with Joe Hart too.
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Old 21-06-2016, 12:40
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Any player not a forward is only in their position because they weren't good enough to play up top, that's why the forward is ALWAYS the best player in the team with no exceptions. Look at Carlton Cole.
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Old 21-06-2016, 13:14
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The voting on this is totally bewildering. Only 2 players should be anywhere near MOTM, Dier and Clyne. Who the freak has voted for any others?
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Old 21-06-2016, 13:21
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What?! They're fullbacks/winbacks because that's their best position. They can defend, yet also have pace to get forward and add width, which is what wingbacks do.

Why are you comparing Payet and Dier? Dier is a defensive midfielder, Payet is an ACM. Why would I want Dier at ACM or Payet at DM?!
the other guy said I couldn't compare Dier with Drinkwater or Noble??
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Old 21-06-2016, 14:22
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the other guy said I couldn't compare Dier with Drinkwater or Noble??
So why compare him to a player who is even less like him?!
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Old 21-06-2016, 15:01
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the other guy said I couldn't compare Dier with Drinkwater or Noble??
None of the people you compare him with are like him, that's the point.
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Old 21-06-2016, 16:33
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None of the people you compare him with are like him, that's the point.
Who do you compare him to in England then.
One good free kick, and he's a world beater.,


IMO the truth is that England remain second rate. Given it's England, you never know, they could do a MIke Bassett, and come good and go deep. They have done it once or twice before. The odds are they won't,

Hodgson remains a useless manager in the style of Bassett.
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Old 21-06-2016, 16:43
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People don't rate Dier because he scored against Russia. Jesus Christ.
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Old 21-06-2016, 16:55
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Who do you compare him to in England then.
One good free kick, and he's a world beater.,


IMO the truth is that England remain second rate. Given it's England, you never know, they could do a MIke Bassett, and come good and go deep. They have done it once or twice before. The odds are they won't,

Hodgson remains a useless manager in the style of Bassett.
Is that all you know about Diers game? If so, it's no wonder you write what you do.

There is no one else in the England side that can play like him, and do what he does. That was my point.

My expectations with England are not as high as many who only seem to comment on them when tournaments come around, and then complain they are not as good as Germany or Spain.

I've seen a big improvement over the last year, with young players coming in, and Roy has given them the chance.
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Old 27-06-2016, 15:46
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1st: Nathaniel Clyne (20 votes) (48% of the entire vote!)
2nd: Eric Dier (8 votes)
3rd: Jamie Vardy (3 votes)
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Old 27-06-2016, 23:02
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England v Iceland 27/6/16. RIP
I rest my case.
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