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Old 21-06-2016, 23:04
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After all the permutations and seeing so many teams playing negatively to gain a chance of being a top 3 team would it be a idea to further expand to 32 to stop all this third place nonsense.

Ok it may devalue the completion as apart from maybe Denmark and Holland ( who imploded) I can't think who else the competion would benefit by having more qualifying

Scotland Georgia

Alternately should it shrink back to 16.

Second question would this weaken the qualifiers by effectively having 32 from 54(?) qualify
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Old 21-06-2016, 23:08
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I'd put it back to 16 personally. That's enough for a tournament that's supposed to represent the best of Europe.
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Old 21-06-2016, 23:10
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Back to 16 in my opinion. This business of putting through so many 3rd placed teams has lead to a lot of defensive matches.
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Old 21-06-2016, 23:14
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Back to 16 will never happen so I'm coming round to the idea of going to 32 as anything is better than this awful format with 24 teams.
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Old 21-06-2016, 23:15
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Tournaments never get smaller, they always get bigger.

Hence why Platini has been talking about expanding the World Cup to 40 teams now.
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Old 21-06-2016, 23:16
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Tournaments never get smaller, they always get bigger.

Hence why Platini has been talking about expanding the World Cup to 40 teams now.
Oh yay, another round of duff matches.
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Old 21-06-2016, 23:19
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Oh yay, another round of duff matches.
Imagine trying to work out the permutations of who went through from that also what would we have 8 last 16 automatically qualify and 8 play off games with 16 going home?
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Old 21-06-2016, 23:23
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They need to cut it to 16 and grow it to 32. The 24 side format started off reasonably well but it's weakness is being exposed ruthlessly now, with so many sides playing 10-0-0 because they're happy enough to risk third.
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Old 21-06-2016, 23:24
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I think they should expand it so San Marino and the Faroe Islands could qualify as England would draw one of them and that would guarantee us a win and Harry Kane would score a goal
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Old 21-06-2016, 23:41
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Imagine trying to work out the permutations of who went through from that also what would we have 8 last 16 automatically qualify and 8 play off games with 16 going home?
In theory, 40 teams would just mean an extra team in every group with the top two in each still getting through.
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Old 22-06-2016, 00:03
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It's been nice to see the likes of Iceland and northern Ireland on the big stage but it's been such a dull tournament so far it really needs to go back to 16 I think
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Old 22-06-2016, 00:22
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In theory, 40 teams would just mean an extra team in every group with the top two in each still getting through.
Five teams in a group would be awful because you would have one team left out of the final round of games while the others know what they need to do to overtake them. Whatever way it is sliced and diced the only way to get a fair tournament is to have 16/32/64 teams.
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Old 22-06-2016, 00:30
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It's been nice to see the likes of Iceland and northern Ireland on the big stage but it's been such a dull tournament so far it really needs to go back to 16 I think
NI topped their qualifying group. They'd have been there if it was 16 teams.
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Old 22-06-2016, 00:59
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Five teams in a group would be awful because you would have one team left out of the final round of games while the others know what they need to do to overtake them. Whatever way it is sliced and diced the only way to get a fair tournament is to have 16/32/64 teams.
Agreed.
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Old 22-06-2016, 00:59
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Nothing can be done.

Even if UEFA proposed a reduction back to 16 teams - which wouldn't happen anyway - there isn't the slightest chance that it would be voted in by the member associations because they know it'll reduce once again their countries' chances of qualifying.

On the other hand, UEFA could easily get a 32-team tournament voted through but that would dilute the quality further with more second rate teams playing more group matches, and you can only do that so many times before tickets start going unsold and viewing figures start falling.

This is what we're stuck with now - thanks to Michel Platini and the Scottish and Irish FAs.
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Old 22-06-2016, 03:03
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It really desperately needs to return to 16 teams. But as already said it won't.

There's nowhere near enough quality to make it 32 teams, 24 is too lacking in quality as it is. For example this tournament wouldnt have missed the likes of Russia, Ukraine, Romania, Albania & Czech republic to name a few.

And 3rd place qualifying from a group of 4 is ridiculous. I do not begrudge N-Ire and their fans a spot in the next round, but seriously one win in a match that could have gone either way and 2 losses gets you through.
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Old 22-06-2016, 08:00
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I think they should stick to 24 teams but only have the top two through from each group.

4 best group winners straight through to the Quarter finals with the remaining 8 teams battling it out to play them.

Either that or have 8 groups of 3 with the top 2 going through.
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Old 22-06-2016, 08:19
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I think they should stick to 24 teams but only have the top two through from each group.

4 best group winners straight through to the Quarter finals with the remaining 8 teams battling it out to play them.

Either that or have 8 groups of 3 with the top 2 going through.
The first scenario still leaves a similar situation to this though, but with best group winner as opposed to best third placed team...

Second scenario may work and could lead to more attacking play as goal difference or goals scored more likely to come into it e after only 2 games
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Old 22-06-2016, 08:22
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Go back to 16. Third place qualifying for KO stages is a joke.

It encourages sides to play safe and settle for third.
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Old 22-06-2016, 08:35
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Go back to 16. Third place qualifying for KO stages is a joke.

It encourages sides to play safe and settle for third.
Seems strange sides celebrating after losing because they have secured a third spot in a table of just four! Though I still think 24 is the right number because all the qualified countries have played at a decent level.
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Old 22-06-2016, 08:44
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I'd go with 32. It means that over half the teams in qualification will be successful, but that's still more competitive than the 2/3 of teams in the tournament advancing from the groups now so I'd rather be overly nice to teams in qualifying and get ruthless when the big show starts.
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Old 22-06-2016, 09:26
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Second scenario may work and could lead to more attacking play as goal difference or goals scored more likely to come into it e after only 2 games
Nah, wouldn't work. There'd be a team in each group sitting out the final round of games, with the other teams having the advantage of knowing what result they need.
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Old 22-06-2016, 09:33
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Forgot about that obvious scenario! OK, let's do 32 and might as well. Make the world cup 48, 12 groups of 4, top 2 qualify from each group!
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Old 22-06-2016, 09:35
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Must say that I'm finding it difficult to get excited about this 3rd round of group games........I think that's partly down to 3 qualifiers because before the games we have a pretty good idea who's going to qualify. I suppose that would probably be the same under any system of 'groups' by the time you got to the last match

There is however one huge bonus of having 16 teams go through to a knockout stage.........this weekend we've got 8 knock out matches over 3 days.........every match a Cup Final, no playing for a point, winner takes all.

What a feast !
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Old 22-06-2016, 10:35
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Go back to 16. Third place qualifying for KO stages is a joke.

It encourages sides to play safe and settle for third.
In some situations like Slovakia I agree.

However, on the plus side it has meant that going into the final round of games every single team has had a chance of qualifying and therefore something to play for. Consider Albania and Turkey who were both on zero points after the first 2 games. Under a top 2 qualifying system they would have been out before the final round of group games. Under this system though they knew they still had a chance, were inspired to go for it and both won, meaning they may qualify for the knockout depending on other results.
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