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Old 22-06-2016, 18:56
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Yep, not a dull moment this evening....
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Old 22-06-2016, 18:56
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So albania win a game, Portugal don't, and Albania go out, wheres the justice in that

No side drawing all their games should be going through
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Old 22-06-2016, 18:56
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The only downside of this is that it would be more embarrassing to lose to Iceland than Portugal.
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Old 22-06-2016, 18:57
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i thought it was first plays against second, why are we playing iceland instead of hungary?
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Old 22-06-2016, 18:57
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So albania win a game, Portugal don't, and Albania go out, wheres the justice in that

No side drawing all their games should be going through
Can you explain why this is? Surely the first criterion after number of points should be number of wins.
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Old 22-06-2016, 18:58
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So albania win a game, Portugal don't, and Albania go out, wheres the justice in that

No side drawing all their games should be going through
Was just about to write that. So unfair considering Albania had the hard group too.
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Old 22-06-2016, 18:58
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i thought it was first plays against second, why are we playing iceland instead of hungary?
We didn't finish first
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Old 22-06-2016, 18:59
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i thought it was first plays against second, why are we playing iceland instead of hungary?
Because in those cases, those who finish top play third placed teams, so it's still an advantage to top.
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:00
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We didn't finish first
england finished second, hungary finished first
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:01
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Can you explain why this is? Surely the first criterion after number of points should be number of wins.
It goes Goal Difference, Goals Scored, Fair Play, UEFA Coefficient Ranking. Wins not a factor.
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:01
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So albania win a game, Portugal don't, and Albania go out, wheres the justice in that

No side drawing all their games should be going through
Absolutely ridiculous isn't it?
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:01
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So albania win a game, Portugal don't, and Albania go out, wheres the justice in that

No side drawing all their games should be going through
That's really ****ed up when you think about it. The way this tournament works is nonsensical.
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:02
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It goes Goal Difference, Goals Scored, Fair Play, UEFA Coefficient Ranking. Wins not a factor.
That's bollocks, not your explanation but the logic
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:02
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i thought it was first plays against second, why are we playing iceland instead of hungary?
Because there are only 6 groups so there are only 6 first places, 6 seconds and 4 thirds who go through. If all of the first places play a 3rd then that means some of the seconds have to play each other.

It's a lot easier when there are 16 or 32 teams. Having 24 makes it more complex.
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:05
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Plenty of people like to be contrarian like that.

I can't stand the bloke, and his wink never crosses my mind.
He's done nothing to offend me. There's no devil's advocacy at play or anything.
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:05
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Can't help but feel slightly aggrieved that the only group conclusion I've missed turns out to be the most thrilling one of the lot.

Can't help but feel slightly aggrieved that one of the few matches I've missed in the whole tournament turns out to be the match of the tournament.

You owe me, football gods.
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:05
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That's bollocks, not your explanation but the logic
I think whenever you get into this sort of ranking of teams in different groups it always tends to bollocks. That's why having a tournament with 24 teams is so wrong, as discussed in other threads it should be 16/32/64 only numbers that give clear divisions down to a final two.
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:06
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Can you explain why this is? Surely the first criterion after number of points should be number of wins.
In no football league in Europe or anywhere else as far as I know, is that the rule.
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:06
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Happy For Cris.
Happy for Nani.
Happy for Portugal.
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:06
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Because there are only 6 groups so there are only 6 first places, 6 seconds and 4 thirds. If all of the first places play a 3rd then that means some of the seconds have to play each other.

It's a lot easier when there are 16 or 32 teams. Having 24 makes it more complex.
ah ok, thanks for that...
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:07
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Happy For Cris.
Happy for Nani.
Happy for Portugal.
Happy for you
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:08
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I think whenever you get into this sort of ranking of teams in different groups it always tends to bollocks. That's why having a tournament with 24 teams is so wrong, as discussed in other threads it should be 16/32/64 only numbers that give clear divisions down to a final two.
doesn't have to be 16/32/64
since 4 groups of 5 works the same way or 8 groups of 5 etc.
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:11
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doesn't have to be 16/32/64
since 4 groups of 5 works the same way or 8 groups of 5 etc.
Except you can't have concurrent final group games in that format and they'll be an unfair advantage to those who play last.
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:14
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No no no, groups of 5 (or any odd number) is a terrible solution. Massively unfair on the team that misses the final round of games. Not to mention the way you get teams playing on different numbers of days rest.

It's really simple there is no fair way of running a tournament that isn't based on a multiple of 16.
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Old 22-06-2016, 19:16
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could have 4 group of 6 then.
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