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Brexit - Roaming After We Leave
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CheshireBumpkin
26-06-2016
Originally Posted by InfamousTeal:
“So, following yesterday's decision to leave the EU, what do we think that'll mean in the world of mobile?

Perhaps that'll mean our current roaming deals can stay? Although with the total ban on roaming charges within the EU coming next year, that won't affect us, so maybe there'll still be a small charge for us?”

As others have said, the price of using a mobile in Europe will be the least of our problems. It's more likely we'll be crying out for fourth-hand Nokia 3310's via a special recycling scheme not unlike that we send our year-old iPhones to now....
MTUK1
26-06-2016
Originally Posted by CheshireBumpkin:
“As others have said, the price of using a mobile in Europe will be the least of our problems. It's more likely we'll be crying out for fourth-hand Nokia 3310's via a special recycling scheme not unlike that we send our year-old iPhones to now....”

Another melodramatic post. How on earth do 170 countries outside the EU function? How on earth did we function pre joining the EU? You seem like yet another person brainwashed into thinking we need the EU to survive.
Orbitalzone
26-06-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Another melodramatic post. How on earth do 170 countries outside the EU function? How on earth did we function pre joining the EU? You seem like yet another person brainwashed into thinking we need the EU to survive.”

Quite so! There'll be changes but do people honestly think it's essentially game over for the UK? of course not.

However, I am quite sure many unscrupulous companies will take full advantage including phone operators who might see a chance to bump up prices for roaming once we're out.

I'd be much more concerned about the coming zombie apocalypse that's a direct result of us leaving.
zz9
26-06-2016
Originally Posted by BKM:
“Apparently free roaming is an EU "directive" - not a law - so won't be covered by free trade discussions.

Of course in two years time people will be so used to it it would be hard to bring back EU roaming in the UK (hopefully!)

Of course t could end up like Switzerland which most mobile firms count as "included in their EU tariffs" - but NOT all!”

A Directive is just an order to member countries to make a law. The Directive says what they must do, and each countries Parliament then writes a law that meets the Directive.

When leaving the EU the British government and Parliament will go through all the EU mandated laws on the books and decide which to keep and which to change or repeal. They could easily decide to keep a bunch of laws, and could keep the free roaming law if they wanted to.
CheshireBumpkin
26-06-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Another melodramatic post. How on earth do 170 countries outside the EU function? How on earth did we function pre joining the EU? You seem like yet another person brainwashed into thinking we need the EU to survive.”

We don't need the EU to survive, and in the long term it'll be fine.

However, the next ten years will be hell. We won't give a flying f*ck about whether we pay roaming charges or not.
ktla5
27-06-2016
You can get free roaming in the USA, so why should France or Germany any different ?
Stereo Steve
27-06-2016
Originally Posted by CheshireBumpkin:
“We don't need the EU to survive, and in the long term it'll be fine.

However, the next ten years will be hell. We won't give a flying f*ck about whether we pay roaming charges or not.”

Not sure I agree with that. I believe we will slip quietly into an EFTA / EEA agreement which was always the plan and nothing much will change. I have always thought this. We have much to gain and little to lose. The EU will certainly not turn it's back on us. I'll lose my BPS payment probably but for me that is a price worth paying to pull our country back from the mire of the EU Superstate project.

Below is worth a read.

http://www.adamsmith.org/evolution-not-revolution/
DevonBloke
27-06-2016
Indeed. The UK been working up to this for 40 years.
We couldn't get reform outside it or inside it. We'll get reform by leaving it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE
david16
27-06-2016
Originally Posted by DevonBloke:
“Indeed. The UK been working up to this for 40 years.
We couldn't get reform outside it or inside it. We'll get reform by leaving it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE”

Like soaring prices that are even more of a rip off than they are at present.

And mobile roaming will be free between all the EU member states still remaining, while it will cost UK mobile customers roaming in the EU an absolute fortune.
CheshireBumpkin
27-06-2016
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“Not sure I agree with that. I believe we will slip quietly into an EFTA / EEA agreement which was always the plan and nothing much will change. I have always thought this. We have much to gain and little to lose. The EU will certainly not turn it's back on us. I'll lose my BPS payment probably but for me that is a price worth paying to pull our country back from the mire of the EU Superstate project.

Below is worth a read.

http://www.adamsmith.org/evolution-not-revolution/”

Originally Posted by DevonBloke:
“Indeed. The UK been working up to this for 40 years.
We couldn't get reform outside it or inside it. We'll get reform by leaving it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE”

I really hope you guys are right. This is one thing I'll be delighted to find I'm wrong about...

Anyway, back to mast p0rn...
Daveoc64
27-06-2016
Originally Posted by zz9:
“When leaving the EU the British government and Parliament will go through all the EU mandated laws on the books and decide which to keep and which to change or repeal. They could easily decide to keep a bunch of laws, and could keep the free roaming law if they wanted to.”

People don't seem to understand that there are two elements to the EU/EC/EEA roaming regulations:

1) Consumer price caps
2) Wholesale price caps

The wholesale caps ensure that our networks can afford to offer roaming at the consumer price cap level.

The UK alone would be unable to compel other countries to cap wholesale rates for our networks. We'd either need to join the EEA (which, as others mentioned, is not what most people who voted "Leave" would want), or come up with a very specific agreement with the EU for roaming.

Without that, the UK government would be telling the UK networks to sell their products at a particular price, regardless of whether that was profitable for them or not. Never going to happen.
de525ma
27-06-2016
Originally Posted by DevonBloke:
“Indeed. The UK been working up to this for 40 years.
We couldn't get reform outside it or inside it. We'll get reform by leaving it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE”

You mean the right wing. In England. Not the UK.
moox
27-06-2016
Originally Posted by de525ma:
“You mean the right wing. In England. Not the UK.”

38% of your country also want to leave, that's not an insignificant number
nic6
27-06-2016
Shows the limited mentality of people when 'data roaming abroad' is their biggest worry after Brexit.
Glad we did leave by the way.
DevonBloke
27-06-2016
Originally Posted by de525ma:
“You mean the right wing. In England. Not the UK.”

No, I actually mean the establishment. The real powers that be regardless of which Government is in. You don't think Governments guide us do you?
Faust
27-06-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Another melodramatic post. How on earth do 170 countries outside the EU function? How on earth did we function pre joining the EU? You seem like yet another person brainwashed into thinking we need the EU to survive.”

As opposed to you being brainwashed into thinking we can survive outside the EU I suppose!

There's a world of difference to surviving and having a decent standard of living. Do you remember how Bush and Blair were criticised for not having a plan in place for 'the peace' in Iraq following the war? Well this is just the same - the Brexiteers didn't expect to win so they have no plan B.
Faust
27-06-2016
Originally Posted by nic6:
“Shows the limited mentality of people when 'data roaming abroad' is their biggest worry after Brexit.
Glad we did leave by the way. ”

Hmm! the EU has provided stability and relative peace in Europe for the last 60 years and you are glad we are leaving. How old are you again?
Faust
27-06-2016
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“Not sure I agree with that. I believe we will slip quietly into an EFTA / EEA agreement which was always the plan and nothing much will change. I have always thought this. We have much to gain and little to lose. The EU will certainly not turn it's back on us. I'll lose my BPS payment probably but for me that is a price worth paying to pull our country back from the mire of the EU Superstate project.

Below is worth a read.

http://www.adamsmith.org/evolution-not-revolution/”

You don't accept anything that the adamsmith institute spout surely? They make Mrs T seem like the fairy godmother.

If they have their way the workers of this country will be transported back to the rights they held in the 18th century. Good god man the Sun and the Daily Wail sure have done a good job on you.

Some of you lot absolutely terrify me - and you are our future.
Ashley_Bradbury
27-06-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“Hmm! the EU has provided stability and relative peace in Europe for the last 60 years and you are glad we are leaving. How old are you again? ”

How old are you? its NATO that has kept the peace. giving credit to the EU is ridiculous.
Stereo Steve
27-06-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“You don't accept anything that the adamsmith institute spout surely? They make Mrs T seem like the fairy godmother.

If they have their way the workers of this country will be transported back to the rights they held in the 18th century. Good god man the Sun and the Daily Wail sure have done a good job on you.

Some of you lot absolutely terrify me - and you are our future. ”

I expect I might be older than you. I'm older than most people. I can't say I've ever bought the mail or the Sun in my entire life. I used to get the Sunday Times about 20 years ago but I had time to read it then. There is absolutely a plan. It will be fine. If anyone has been conned it's the youngsters, whipped up into a frenzy of nonsense in a world they actually know little about.
Stereo Steve
27-06-2016
Originally Posted by Ashley_Bradbury:
“How old are you? its NATO that has kept the peace. giving credit to the EU is ridiculous.”

Absolutely.
Stereo Steve
27-06-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“You don't accept anything that the adamsmith institute spout surely? They make Mrs T seem like the fairy godmother.

If they have their way the workers of this country will be transported back to the rights they held in the 18th century. Good god man the Sun and the Daily Wail sure have done a good job on you.

Some of you lot absolutely terrify me - and you are our future. ”

Out of interest, how old where you when Mrs T came into power?
WelshBluebird
27-06-2016
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“There is absolutely a plan. It will be fine. If anyone has been conned it's the youngsters, whipped up into a frenzy of nonsense in a world they actually know little about.”

I know enough about the fact that where I grew up receives an awful lot of money from the EU and know that the money is very unlikely to be replaced by money from Westminster. I also know that some of my friends have jobs that rely on us being the EU. While they still may be safe if we do end up in the EEA, they still have the stress of not knowing if their job is currently safe or not at this moment in time. And I also know that even if we do end up in the EEA and everything is fine and dandy, we will then be subject to EU rules and regulations that we no longer will have a say in (at least in the EU we do have some kind of say) and will have to agree to at least some degree of freedom of movement (which will obviously mean a sizable chunk of the leave voters will not be happy). So please, less of the attack on us youngsters..
MTUK1
27-06-2016
Originally Posted by de525ma:
“You mean the right wing. In England. Not the UK.”

Plenty of left wingers voted for Brexit. But don't let your skewed view affect what you write.
DevonBloke
27-06-2016
It's quite likely that more left wingers voted leave than right wingers actually. Including Corbyn. I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall in that polling booth. : )
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