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#126 |
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Ok, I'm leaving this now. You are one of those. Believe too much that you read in your selected press. We have much to be proud of and much to be ashamed of. Hopefully we have learned lessons from both. Must be depressing living in a world of conspiracy and evil. Good luck with the future. Sorry I ruined it for you. The end.
I firmly believe your vote to leave has greatly diminished the life opportunities for young people, it was for them I voted to remain. I suspect it is those you should be apologising to. |
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#127 |
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Ok, I'm leaving this now. You are one of those. Believe too much that you read in your selected press. We have much to be proud of and much to be ashamed of. Hopefully we have learned lessons from both. Must be depressing living in a world of conspiracy and evil. Good luck with the future. Sorry I ruined it for you. The end.
Back to mobile phones anyone? |
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#128 |
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Thank goodness.
Back to mobile phones anyone?
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I'm with Devon and others, we tried to get the changes to the EU to make it more democratic and reform and we couldn't time after time. We were increasingly seeing things being decided outside of any democratic system.
The EU single market has been declining, down 5% to 17% recently, the unemployment across Europe (much worse than the EU) and massive Euro crisis and bailouts, the migrant crisis and many other things can in part be blamed on the EU. Those saying "we'll lose X billion in university and science funding" have forgotten that tax payers in Greece and Spain don't pay their taxes for it to fund our universities, it's our money we pay to the EU that we get back in funding. Skip the EU all together and we can directly fund these things, especially as we got back less than we paid into the EU. I fully welcome the situation, FTSE is at June 13th level and the currency markets will recover in the longer term, but we are in for a few years of pain, that is for longer term gain outside of the EU. When younger people throughout Europe start rising up at an ever increasing anti-democratic system, especially in the next recession, we'll be looking and thinking - I'm glad we voted out. Spain is a net contributor now so yes, Spain does contribute to funding UK universities and research groups, because in terms of Science and Research, UK is overrepresented compared to other countries. |
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#130 |
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Those saying "we'll lose X billion in university and science funding" have forgotten that tax payers in Greece and Spain don't pay their taxes for it to fund our universities, it's our money we pay to the EU that we get back in funding. Skip the EU all together and we can directly fund these things, especially as we got back less than we paid into the EU. Working as a researcher in my own university, and online in my wider circle of academic social media contacts I have yet to meet one researcher or scientist who backed leaving the EU. There may be some arguments for leaving the EU, but science & research is not one of them. There is not a hope in hell the UK government will provide the same amount of money that was won from EU funding. |
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Eh? Between 2007-2013 the UK contributed £5.4bn to EU research and got back £8.8bn. How is that getting back less than was paid in?
Working as a researcher in my own university, and online in my wider circle of academic social media contacts I have yet to meet one researcher or scientist who backed leaving the EU. There may be some arguments for leaving the EU, but science & research is not one of them. There is not a hope in hell the UK government will provide the same amount of money that was won from EU funding. |
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#132 |
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#133 |
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I don't know if anyone has listened to the scathing attack my Michael Heseltine on Boris Johnson but it took me back to my school days. It really cuts Johnson down to size. It's on the BBC News website.
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Eh? Between 2007-2013 the UK contributed £5.4bn to EU research and got back £8.8bn. How is that getting back less than was paid in?
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I think the point he was trying to make is as part of the overall package we pay in more than we get out. Of course there will be areas like science funding which may get a fair wedge, but overall Britain is a net contributor, its simple maths. Again as he has already said repeatedly leaving the EU woud mean we get to decide where all that £18bn goes, so its likely that research funding would be continued, given its an area this country excels at.
When you have every respected financial institution in the world plus foreign heads of state and world credit agencies telling you this is going to be bad then only a fool would shrug and say 'nah everything will be okay'. Just let one brexiteer moan to me when they have lost their job, can't pay the mortgage and are struggling to put food on the table. |
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I think the point he was trying to make is as part of the overall package we pay in more than we get out. Of course there will be areas like science funding which may get a fair wedge, but overall Britain is a net contributor, its simple maths. Again as he has already said repeatedly leaving the EU woud mean we get to decide where all that £18bn goes, so its likely that research funding would be continued, given its an area this country excels at.
All within ONE week. And let me reiterate; the place where I work MOVED from one non-English speaking EU country to the UK for easier access to talent and favourable regulatory conditions. The minute that ceases to be guess what our board of directors will decide? |
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