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Brexit - Roaming After We Leave
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Faust
30-06-2016
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“Ok, I'm leaving this now. You are one of those. Believe too much that you read in your selected press. We have much to be proud of and much to be ashamed of. Hopefully we have learned lessons from both. Must be depressing living in a world of conspiracy and evil. Good luck with the future. Sorry I ruined it for you. The end.”

You haven't ruined it for me as I'm of more senior years and comfortable. Despite what many believe not all senior people voted to leave the EU.

I firmly believe your vote to leave has greatly diminished the life opportunities for young people, it was for them I voted to remain. I suspect it is those you should be apologising to.
Stig
30-06-2016
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“Ok, I'm leaving this now. You are one of those. Believe too much that you read in your selected press. We have much to be proud of and much to be ashamed of. Hopefully we have learned lessons from both. Must be depressing living in a world of conspiracy and evil. Good luck with the future. Sorry I ruined it for you. The end.”

Thank goodness.

Back to mobile phones anyone?
Faust
30-06-2016
Originally Posted by Stig:
“Thank goodness.

Back to mobile phones anyone?”

Are those phones on wheels?
Yossi
30-06-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“I'm with Devon and others, we tried to get the changes to the EU to make it more democratic and reform and we couldn't time after time. We were increasingly seeing things being decided outside of any democratic system.

The EU single market has been declining, down 5% to 17% recently, the unemployment across Europe (much worse than the EU) and massive Euro crisis and bailouts, the migrant crisis and many other things can in part be blamed on the EU.

Those saying "we'll lose X billion in university and science funding" have forgotten that tax payers in Greece and Spain don't pay their taxes for it to fund our universities, it's our money we pay to the EU that we get back in funding. Skip the EU all together and we can directly fund these things, especially as we got back less than we paid into the EU.

I fully welcome the situation, FTSE is at June 13th level and the currency markets will recover in the longer term, but we are in for a few years of pain, that is for longer term gain outside of the EU.

When younger people throughout Europe start rising up at an ever increasing anti-democratic system, especially in the next recession, we'll be looking and thinking - I'm glad we voted out.”


Spain is a net contributor now so yes, Spain does contribute to funding UK universities and research groups, because in terms of Science and Research, UK is overrepresented compared to other countries.
LTT
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
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Those saying "we'll lose X billion in university and science funding" have forgotten that tax payers in Greece and Spain don't pay their taxes for it to fund our universities, it's our money we pay to the EU that we get back in funding. Skip the EU all together and we can directly fund these things, especially as we got back less than we paid into the EU. ”

Eh? Between 2007-2013 the UK contributed £5.4bn to EU research and got back £8.8bn. How is that getting back less than was paid in?

Working as a researcher in my own university, and online in my wider circle of academic social media contacts I have yet to meet one researcher or scientist who backed leaving the EU. There may be some arguments for leaving the EU, but science & research is not one of them. There is not a hope in hell the UK government will provide the same amount of money that was won from EU funding.
Yossi
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by LTT:
“Eh? Between 2007-2013 the UK contributed £5.4bn to EU research and got back £8.8bn. How is that getting back less than was paid in?

Working as a researcher in my own university, and online in my wider circle of academic social media contacts I have yet to meet one researcher or scientist who backed leaving the EU. There may be some arguments for leaving the EU, but science & research is not one of them. There is not a hope in hell the UK government will provide the same amount of money that was won from EU funding.”

As a senior scientist and project manager in a major biopharmaceutical company settled in the UK after moving from a EU country a few years ago I agree with you 150%.
Yossi
01-07-2016
duplicated post..
Faust
01-07-2016
I don't know if anyone has listened to the scathing attack my Michael Heseltine on Boris Johnson but it took me back to my school days. It really cuts Johnson down to size. It's on the BBC News website.
Aye Up
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by LTT:
“Eh? Between 2007-2013 the UK contributed £5.4bn to EU research and got back £8.8bn. How is that getting back less than was paid in?”

I think the point he was trying to make is as part of the overall package we pay in more than we get out. Of course there will be areas like science funding which may get a fair wedge, but overall Britain is a net contributor, its simple maths. Again as he has already said repeatedly leaving the EU woud mean we get to decide where all that £18bn goes, so its likely that research funding would be continued, given its an area this country excels at.
Faust
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Aye Up:
“I think the point he was trying to make is as part of the overall package we pay in more than we get out. Of course there will be areas like science funding which may get a fair wedge, but overall Britain is a net contributor, its simple maths. Again as he has already said repeatedly leaving the EU woud mean we get to decide where all that £18bn goes, so its likely that research funding would be continued, given its an area this country excels at.”

Not so as we are likely to need every penny of that £18bn to shore up the black hole in the countries finances post brexit.

When you have every respected financial institution in the world plus foreign heads of state and world credit agencies telling you this is going to be bad then only a fool would shrug and say 'nah everything will be okay'.

Just let one brexiteer moan to me when they have lost their job, can't pay the mortgage and are struggling to put food on the table.
Yossi
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Aye Up:
“I think the point he was trying to make is as part of the overall package we pay in more than we get out. Of course there will be areas like science funding which may get a fair wedge, but overall Britain is a net contributor, its simple maths. Again as he has already said repeatedly leaving the EU woud mean we get to decide where all that £18bn goes, so its likely that research funding would be continued, given its an area this country excels at.”

It's already happened. I can't tell you where I work but all hiring has been paused, we have lost 2 potential new investors, we need to invest in opening a subsidiary in either the US or the EU, and many of our EU employees are scared and thinking about returning to the continent to continue their research careers.

All within ONE week.

And let me reiterate; the place where I work MOVED from one non-English speaking EU country to the UK for easier access to talent and favourable regulatory conditions.

The minute that ceases to be guess what our board of directors will decide?
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