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Old 26-06-2016, 15:14
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Take a look at @georgeeaton's Tweet: https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/stat...425679360?s=09

Party membership has increased by 4000 since the results were announced!

Could brexit vote help a Renaissance in the liberal Democrats?
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Old 26-06-2016, 15:18
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They got a huge membership boost last May. They are still on 6 per cent.

They shouldn't even be allowed to use the word democrats - as they don't seem to believe in any more. Vote Lib Dem - to overturn democratic votes of the people. Liberal undemocrats more like.
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Old 26-06-2016, 15:22
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They got a huge membership boost last May. They are still on 6 per cent.

They shouldn't even be allowed to use the word democrats - as they don't seem to believe in any more. Vote Lib Dem - to overturn democratic votes of the people. Liberal undemocrats more like.
How is putting something in your manifesto - on which you are elected upon - undemocratic?
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Old 26-06-2016, 15:28
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Take a look at @georgeeaton's Tweet: https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/stat...425679360?s=09

Party membership has increased by 4000 since the results were announced!

Could brexit vote help a Renaissance in the liberal Democrats?
Yes.

It is potentially massive but they need to play it right and it requires other factors helping them.

A very divided Labour Party, but fully signed up to Brexit under Corbyn, is one of the key factors.

A divided, muddled, Tory Party is another although I have always said they will pull together because that is what Tories do.

The third is UKIP which can if it dares go for a policy of very low or zero level of immigration and - this would be required for it - a virtual abandonment of the single market. That would make it sharply distinct from a Tory Party under Johnson, May etc and take loads of votes from them, however kamikaze for Britain.

A potential stumbling block for the Lib Dems is some new requirement from EU for us to join the Euro and to enter Schengen. It's the same sort of issues that Sturgeon has to face.

But the Lib Dems are in a slightly stronger position than SNP on those matters in that they represent the entire UK and consequently what they can bring to the EU negotiating table is a real choice for the EU - "Accept us remaining on what Cameron negotiated or accept that the EU really has lost the UK".

I think they need to be in talks quickly with their European counterparts and other European politicians at the Centre to explain clearly to them what is deliverable even if it doesn't suit their ideology exactly and get them on board. Actually, I would also like Farron to try to have a conversation with Merkel and Hillary Clinton.
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Old 26-06-2016, 15:42
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How is putting something in your manifesto - on which you are elected upon - undemocratic?
That's what I was thinking too
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Old 26-06-2016, 15:44
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Take a look at @georgeeaton's Tweet: https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/stat...425679360?s=09

Party membership has increased by 4000 since the results were announced!

Could brexit vote help a Renaissance in the liberal Democrats?
I'm still not sure I see them winning back their seats from the Tories.
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Old 26-06-2016, 15:44
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How is putting something in your manifesto - on which you are elected upon - undemocratic?
Exactly. It has not been made law that you have to vote for them. At least at last the Lib Dems have a focus of direction which can't be said of the other parties at the moment.
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Old 26-06-2016, 15:45
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Good luck Lib Dems - you are chasing the tearful student vote. You know, the people you shafted while Clegg was poncing around as Cameron's lapdog.
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Old 26-06-2016, 15:46
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It was on the radio that their leader has announced at the next GE the Lib Dems will have in their manifesto that they will apply to join the EU and it wasn't a joke.
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Old 26-06-2016, 15:46
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So they have 4,001 members now.
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Old 26-06-2016, 15:46
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Take a look at @georgeeaton's Tweet: https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/stat...425679360?s=09

Party membership has increased by 4000 since the results were announced!

Could brexit vote help a Renaissance in the liberal Democrats?
Good for them, let see if that membership turns into votes at the next GE. Mind you I suspect they will be a long way behind UKIP in polling.
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Old 26-06-2016, 15:54
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It was on the radio that their leader has announced at the next GE the Lib Dems will have in their manifesto that they will apply to join the EU and it wasn't a joke.
So they would not hold a referendum on joining the EU they would simply do it.
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Old 26-06-2016, 15:57
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It was on the radio that their leader has announced at the next GE the Lib Dems will have in their manifesto that they will apply to join the EU and it wasn't a joke.
I'm sure they'll honour it as strongly as their commitment to scrap tuition fees.
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Old 26-06-2016, 15:57
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They promised to cut tuition fees but they trebled them.
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Old 26-06-2016, 15:58
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I get the impression today from several threads that people do not read manifesto's nor expect parties to actually act upon them.
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Old 26-06-2016, 15:59
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Good luck Lib Dems - you are chasing the tearful student vote. You know, the people you shafted while Clegg was poncing around as Cameron's lapdog.
Not exactly - they will be chasing the Blair/Cameron vote (a) without the Blair and New Labour baggage and indeed the Eton/Toff baggage and (b) with additional left liberal commitments to democracy - PR, the environment and economics pinned more to the grass roots than shadowy old Davos/Atlantic Bridge.

Crucially the Lib Dems are united when Lab and the Cons are not.

Swing voters will not be convinced that Corbyn's Brexit Labour Party will manage the economy, nor will those with mild immigration issues see the Lib Dems as worse than Corbyn or Single Market Tories.

Much can be made of statements made by the rising Tories - and often by True UKIP - about their opposition to a public service NHS and BBC.

As for SNP and PC voters who like what they say except on independence, they are also for the taking.
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Old 26-06-2016, 15:59
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So they would not hold a referendum on joining the EU they would simply do it.
Rejoining would mean surrendering our sovereignty and currency before 2025. It's all in the Five Presidents Report!

Would people vote for that?

Vote LibDem: Say Goodbye to Britain!
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Old 26-06-2016, 16:02
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I don't think he would get votes on that.

Because we would have to join as new members with no bargaining power, adopt the Euro etc.

Nutcase.
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Old 26-06-2016, 16:05
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So they would not hold a referendum on joining the EU they would simply do it.
So we get a referendum on every policy that is in a government's manifesto now? I must have missed all those other referendums?
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Old 26-06-2016, 16:21
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They got a huge membership boost last May. They are still on 6 per cent.

They shouldn't even be allowed to use the word democrats - as they don't seem to believe in any more. Vote Lib Dem - to overturn democratic votes of the people. Liberal undemocrats more like.
How is continuing to use a voting system that lets 38% of the electorate decide who runs the country democratic? This is what Labour and the Tories both wanted and got.
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Old 26-06-2016, 16:24
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Rejoining would mean surrendering our sovereignty and currency before 2025. It's all in the Five Presidents Report!

Would people vote for that?

Vote LibDem: Say Goodbye to Britain!
Lib Dems are unlikely to be the sole party in government, so an application to rejoin the EU simply couldn't happen. So it's more like:

Vote LibDem: Maybe get a Lib/Lab Coalition, hopefully with a commitment to PR.
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Old 26-06-2016, 16:27
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So we get a referendum on every policy that is in a government's manifesto now? I must have missed all those other referendums?
The Liberal Democrats previous policy was "Hold an In/Out referendum when there is next any Treaty change involving a material transfer of sovereignty from the UK to the EU"
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Old 26-06-2016, 16:34
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Lib Dems are unlikely to be the sole party in government, so an application to rejoin the EU simply couldn't happen. So it's more like:

Vote LibDem: Maybe get a Lib/Lab Coalition, hopefully with a commitment to PR.
I understand it - I like Benn - but this will be exceedingly difficult given distinctions that are emerging.

For once, perhaps, the Labour Party might actually stay true to its roots, observe the Brexit will of the people - a lot of Brexiters are working class - and offer a very reasonable alternative for them to UKIP.

One thing I would warn the Lib Dems is in all of the flurry of party applications it should review and if necessary reject high level members of the Blairite machinery. Infiltration of that kind would be disastrous.
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Old 26-06-2016, 17:40
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Well that's all good news, but there's one major problem. The media and the polls don't care about the Libdems anymore, they are far more interested in the Tories, Labour and UKIP.
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