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Liberal Democrats receive a Brexit boost to their party
Take a look at @georgeeaton's Tweet: https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/stat...425679360?s=09
Party membership has increased by 4000 since the results were announced! Could brexit vote help a Renaissance in the liberal Democrats? |
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They got a huge membership boost last May. They are still on 6 per cent.
They shouldn't even be allowed to use the word democrats - as they don't seem to believe in any more. Vote Lib Dem - to overturn democratic votes of the people. Liberal undemocrats more like. |
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They got a huge membership boost last May. They are still on 6 per cent.
They shouldn't even be allowed to use the word democrats - as they don't seem to believe in any more. Vote Lib Dem - to overturn democratic votes of the people. Liberal undemocrats more like. |
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Take a look at @georgeeaton's Tweet: https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/stat...425679360?s=09
Party membership has increased by 4000 since the results were announced! Could brexit vote help a Renaissance in the liberal Democrats? It is potentially massive but they need to play it right and it requires other factors helping them. A very divided Labour Party, but fully signed up to Brexit under Corbyn, is one of the key factors. A divided, muddled, Tory Party is another although I have always said they will pull together because that is what Tories do. The third is UKIP which can if it dares go for a policy of very low or zero level of immigration and - this would be required for it - a virtual abandonment of the single market. That would make it sharply distinct from a Tory Party under Johnson, May etc and take loads of votes from them, however kamikaze for Britain. A potential stumbling block for the Lib Dems is some new requirement from EU for us to join the Euro and to enter Schengen. It's the same sort of issues that Sturgeon has to face. But the Lib Dems are in a slightly stronger position than SNP on those matters in that they represent the entire UK and consequently what they can bring to the EU negotiating table is a real choice for the EU - "Accept us remaining on what Cameron negotiated or accept that the EU really has lost the UK". I think they need to be in talks quickly with their European counterparts and other European politicians at the Centre to explain clearly to them what is deliverable even if it doesn't suit their ideology exactly and get them on board. Actually, I would also like Farron to try to have a conversation with Merkel and Hillary Clinton. |
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How is putting something in your manifesto - on which you are elected upon - undemocratic?
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Take a look at @georgeeaton's Tweet: https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/stat...425679360?s=09
Party membership has increased by 4000 since the results were announced! Could brexit vote help a Renaissance in the liberal Democrats? |
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How is putting something in your manifesto - on which you are elected upon - undemocratic?
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Good luck Lib Dems - you are chasing the tearful student vote. You know, the people you shafted while Clegg was poncing around as Cameron's lapdog.
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It was on the radio that their leader has announced at the next GE the Lib Dems will have in their manifesto that they will apply to join the EU and it wasn't a joke.
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So they have 4,001 members now.
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Take a look at @georgeeaton's Tweet: https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/stat...425679360?s=09
Party membership has increased by 4000 since the results were announced! Could brexit vote help a Renaissance in the liberal Democrats? |
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It was on the radio that their leader has announced at the next GE the Lib Dems will have in their manifesto that they will apply to join the EU and it wasn't a joke.
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It was on the radio that their leader has announced at the next GE the Lib Dems will have in their manifesto that they will apply to join the EU and it wasn't a joke.
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They promised to cut tuition fees but they trebled them.
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I get the impression today from several threads that people do not read manifesto's nor expect parties to actually act upon them.
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Good luck Lib Dems - you are chasing the tearful student vote. You know, the people you shafted while Clegg was poncing around as Cameron's lapdog.
Crucially the Lib Dems are united when Lab and the Cons are not. Swing voters will not be convinced that Corbyn's Brexit Labour Party will manage the economy, nor will those with mild immigration issues see the Lib Dems as worse than Corbyn or Single Market Tories. Much can be made of statements made by the rising Tories - and often by True UKIP - about their opposition to a public service NHS and BBC. As for SNP and PC voters who like what they say except on independence, they are also for the taking. |
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So they would not hold a referendum on joining the EU they would simply do it.
Would people vote for that? Vote LibDem: Say Goodbye to Britain! |
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I don't think he would get votes on that.
Because we would have to join as new members with no bargaining power, adopt the Euro etc. Nutcase. |
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So they would not hold a referendum on joining the EU they would simply do it.
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They got a huge membership boost last May. They are still on 6 per cent.
They shouldn't even be allowed to use the word democrats - as they don't seem to believe in any more. Vote Lib Dem - to overturn democratic votes of the people. Liberal undemocrats more like. |
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Rejoining would mean surrendering our sovereignty and currency before 2025. It's all in the Five Presidents Report!
Would people vote for that? Vote LibDem: Say Goodbye to Britain! Vote LibDem: Maybe get a Lib/Lab Coalition, hopefully with a commitment to PR. |
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So we get a referendum on every policy that is in a government's manifesto now? I must have missed all those other referendums?
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Lib Dems are unlikely to be the sole party in government, so an application to rejoin the EU simply couldn't happen. So it's more like:
Vote LibDem: Maybe get a Lib/Lab Coalition, hopefully with a commitment to PR. For once, perhaps, the Labour Party might actually stay true to its roots, observe the Brexit will of the people - a lot of Brexiters are working class - and offer a very reasonable alternative for them to UKIP. One thing I would warn the Lib Dems is in all of the flurry of party applications it should review and if necessary reject high level members of the Blairite machinery. Infiltration of that kind would be disastrous. |
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Well that's all good news, but there's one major problem. The media and the polls don't care about the Libdems anymore, they are far more interested in the Tories, Labour and UKIP.
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