i don't get it ,,, you were saying how well we played against Wales , how we dominated the game etc.... look at the type of goals we scored all tournament : a penalty ,a free kick a close range effort and a last minute goal , nothing has come from creativity , no real quality build up and we havent created nothing like that all tournament , we have been no where near good enough, are you just looking at it emotionally without any pragmatism and not seeing ti for what it is,,, a poor manager with no decisions, picked a poor squad,, and played a very poor way of playing, with no way of changing it when needed,, I don't have a pop at England for the fun of it, i see the wood through the trees

I dont buy that. Until the 2nd goal, we played the ball around well, we were moving all over the place, and running Iceland ragged. Same as we did in the group games, for which the first two had these players in the main.

The 2nd goal seemed to flick a panic switch, and it just degenerated into a farce. Pressure, panic, fear and every other negative thing took hold of the whole side.

C'mon Sulla,, he didnt pick the best players at all , he picked his favourites and shoe horned them in.

We did play well against Wales, and scored two goals.

We didn't play well tonight, we were awful.

Why is it always the mangers fault (they get sacked) when it could be just our shit players?????

WTF were you watching the same game played the ball around well ,, we misplaced passes all over the pitch ,, i'm beginning to think you either know nothing about football or are a WUM

I was expecting it to be honest. As soon as the squad was announced, i knew we had made the same mistakes we always make. Hodgson ditched the style and formation that got us here for one player, he's a complete idiot.

Likewise yourself. I'm talking about the start of the game, until they scored the 2nd goal, which I admit was not long, but it was confident, and we looked as though we would win at ease. The 2nd goal changed it all, and we went to pieces.

It's both, but if the manager can't pick a balanced team or even adapt when the team isn't performing, he clearly isn't the man to take England to the next world cup. It's much easier to replace one (pivotal) part than lots of parts.

Kane played like a man with a hangover from missing out on the biggest domestic prize. Vardy should have started at the beginning even if it was based on attempting to carry the fairy tale on to another height. Nothing to lose with that.

Which great players didn't make the squad ?

We never looked like winning at ease. Not once in this tournament.

Only 9 weeks till the world cup qualifying starts.

I don't know which games you were watching but there wasn't one game in this tournament where England played with any fluidity and creativity.

With blackjack and hookers?

In fact, forget the competition!

There wasn't one game in this tournament where England played with any creativity or fluidity.

Anyone who thinks different needs to hit specsavers asap.

he didnt pick players on form like Drinkwater, why pick an injured player in Wilshire,, he could have gone with Townsend who would have offered something different, but he went with an out of form Sterling , i just think Hodgson was a square peg , round holes type of manager, instead of picking the players that could have done a job who were in form ,, he went with his favourites

That's very funny. Props to you

In retrospect, it was a really poor qualifying group bar Switzerland (and even they were so so).

Haha. It amazes me how someone so talented can speak so much rubbish.

"Lord Nelson, Lord Beaverbrook, Sir Winston Churchill, Sir Anthony Eden, Clement Attlee, Henry Cooper, Lady Diana, Maggie Thatcher, can you hear me? Maggie Thatcher .................... your boys took a hell of a beating! Your boys took a hell of a beating!"

Because it's like Rugby.

Virtually the same players that got walloped in a home world cup - change the manager and we are 9 for 9, and playing like world beaters.

Mind you, the players showed a complete lack of heart in general.

Sorry Sulla, but you are wrong.

All the big teams pick players for their positions, Germany, Spain, Italy and France all do and that's just the European teams and only change it if they get a rash of injuries.

What is the point in picking and playing Kane, when in the first game he took the ruddy corners, and in this he was taking the free kicks?.

Raises question marks about Wales for me if England could beat them with a disorganised side not playing good football (and the Welsh goal was due to a Hart error).