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The players need to go back to St George's Park and learn the basics, you know, how to kick the ball, how to pass the ball, how to shoot on target, etc.
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Raises question marks about Wales for me if England could beat them with a disorganised side not playing good football (and the Welsh goal was due to a Hart error).
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Maybe but the Welsh, Irish and Northern Irish at least play with passion and desire.
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The Welsh have answered every question by getting to the quarter finals
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I think Wales' success is a little in spite of Coleman. Having them sit back and invite England was needless when you look at their tournament otherwise, I fear for the club that's seduced by his international record when he moves on.
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Wales have something the rest of the home nations dont have, and that is a world class player. Makes a big difference if he is part of a well organised, and together team.
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Maybe but the Welsh, Irish and Northern Irish at least play with passion and desire.
I almost hope they weren't trying because if that was them giving a go then we have real problems! |
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Wales have something the rest of the home nations dont have, and that is a world class player. Makes a big difference if he is part of a well organised, and together team.
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Woy just wambles on and on, i bet most of the players switch off when he speaks, it could be part of the problem , he talks a lot but doesnt really say anything, he is speaking at this press conference and i tuned out.
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It runs deeper than the manager I think, or you wouldn't have the same problems each time. And the recurring problems I see are...
1. Team shape. 2. Lack of leaders. 3. Nervousness - especially in knockout games. 4. Lack of team ethos - especially noticeable amongst fans and media. 5. Belief that they are automatically better than some countries - for whatever reason - they don't have the record to be so dismissive of others. Reality check needed for media and some fair-weather fans. 6. Fitting individual players into teams to the detriment of the team shape - or picking umpteen strikers and central midfielders because they are higher status footballers and taking not enough wingers, then discovering that your diamond formation has flaws and changing to another shape with the wrong squad picked to really play it. Obviously fans will blame the manager and selective players but the same problems in the England international game have been in evidence for decades. Number 2 is more recent maybe. The rest have always been true. |
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. The team is what matters and playing to a system that suits them and that they understand.
What I would add to it is one word SETTLED. All the teams that have won the Euro's have had a stable, known team that only changes when needed. We on the other hand faffed about with players positions and formations for no reason at all. |
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Woy just didn't have the bottle to sub Rooney sooner....Rooney should have been replaced 1/2 an hour earlier...he was below par in other matches too
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No they don't. They demonstrate these qualities week in week out with their club teams.
eg Chris Smalling was completely exposed in the cup final. He carried this form through to the Euros. Is there really no better defender than him? England have done the thing that lots of teams do. Kept players on beyond their sell by date, instead of selecting the best team full stop. I think England would have won the World Cup in 1966 with Greaves, but Hodgson would never have had the bottle to leave a Greaves out of the team. |
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no they don't. They are made to look good by the foreigners in the teams.
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no they don't. They are made to look good by the foreigners in the teams.
eg Chris Smalling was completely exposed in the cup final. He carried this form through to the Euros. Is there really no better defender than him? England have done the thing that lots of teams do. Kept players on beyond their sell by date, instead of selecting the best team full stop. I think England would have won the World Cup in 1966 with Greaves, but Hodgson would never have had the bottle to leave a Greaves out of the team. |
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A truism that every successful football team (league and international level) knows, but for England seems a total mystery.
What I would add to it is one word SETTLED. All the teams that have won the Euro's have had a stable, known team that only changes when needed. We on the other hand faffed about with players positions and formations for no reason at all. I doubt all the other winners have not made changes either. This team were good enough to give anyone a game if they played like they could. They were brilliant in Germany a few months ago. No one, including the players, could have expected the mental breakdown that took place last night. |
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But why?
England were quite impotent, something they had much showed against lesser teams already. Whilst I expected England to win, the result was only a very minor shock. |
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Hodgson would have not dropped a player who was injured?
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No they don't. They demonstrate these qualities week in week out with their club teams.
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So how come they suddenly lose all of these qualities when they pull on an England shirt? If you look back down the years, we are always outplayed by our opponents who are more creative, skilled and comfortable on the ball. Can it be, as others have said, that our players are too nervous, under pressure or even scared when playing for England?
![]() The savagery that awaits their every defeat leads to that fear factor, and you could see it as soon as they went behind last night. It needs addressing somehow, and our media, and so called fans have to look at their own roles in this never ending cycle. |
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Raises question marks about Wales for me if England could beat them with a disorganised side not playing good football (and the Welsh goal was due to a Hart error).
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Haven't been overly impressed by them so far - I think the fact they have Bale in their ranks too makes it hard to regard them as a true underdog like an Iceland or a Northern Ireland.
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I'd enjoy watching them a bit more if they hadn't got a £60m superstar in their ranks : it's a bit like watching the Gareth Bale Show at times.
And with all due respect, I might be biased saying this as a Welsh woman but I would far rather was us play than Northern Ireland for instance who do what they do very well but basically scoring one goal and then defending like hell for the rest of the game is boring as hell to watch. |
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It runs deeper than the manager I think, or you wouldn't have the same problems each time. And the recurring problems I see are...
1. Team shape. 2. Lack of leaders. 3. Nervousness - especially in knockout games. 4. Lack of team ethos - especially noticeable amongst fans and media. 5. Belief that they are automatically better than some countries - for whatever reason - they don't have the record to be so dismissive of others. Reality check needed for media and some fair-weather fans. 6. Fitting individual players into teams to the detriment of the team shape - or picking umpteen strikers and central midfielders because they are higher status footballers and taking not enough wingers, then discovering that your diamond formation has flaws and changing to another shape with the wrong squad picked to really play it. Obviously fans will blame the manager and selective players but the same problems in the England international game have been in evidence for decades. Number 2 is more recent maybe. The rest have always been true. But with the money in the game that is not going to happen Also players who earn high wages in this country they dont need to go abroad and play in another country I think this would improve the England team because Eric Dier played abroad and was one of our best players at the Euros |
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This is what we get for leaving the EU, can we get the match replayed if we didn't like the result?
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Belgium can have it.
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Iceland are 8/1 against France.
Whilst France are less disorganised than England they are very generous odds. But for it being in France I would say it is 3/5 or 4/5 on Iceland winning, pub team or not. |
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