I checked on Batdudebet.com and Iceland are odds-on favourites, although France want to win so they also have good odds because they haven't decided they should be underdogs.
Last 16: England vs Iceland - (27/6/16) KO 8pm, ITV1/HD
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Originally Posted by celesti:
“I checked on Batdudebet.com and Iceland are odds-on favourites, although France want to win so they also have good odds because they haven't decided they should be underdogs.”
“I checked on Batdudebet.com and Iceland are odds-on favourites, although France want to win so they also have good odds because they haven't decided they should be underdogs.”
It's just a shame that Turkey went out before yesterday's terrible events in Istanbul, otherwise I'm sure they'd have become favourites for the competition.
Lack of tactic might be because our superstars are heavily focussed on their own Premier teams.
So it is pointless employing someone like Hoddle or Southgate.
I would go for Allardyce, a person who can possibly get a cohesive team framework together whilst needing few words nor time.
So it is pointless employing someone like Hoddle or Southgate.
I would go for Allardyce, a person who can possibly get a cohesive team framework together whilst needing few words nor time.
Originally Posted by celesti:
“I checked on Batdudebet.com and Iceland are odds-on favourites, although France want to win so they also have good odds because they haven't decided they should be underdogs.”
“I checked on Batdudebet.com and Iceland are odds-on favourites, although France want to win so they also have good odds because they haven't decided they should be underdogs.”
how can Iceland possibly be odds on to beat France?
They were 8/1 when I just checked a random bookie.
France are shorter than 1/2
Originally Posted by gemma-the-husky:
“how can Iceland possibly be odds on to beat France?
They were 8/1 when I just checked a random bookie.
France are shorter than 1/2”
“how can Iceland possibly be odds on to beat France?
They were 8/1 when I just checked a random bookie.
France are shorter than 1/2”
Batdude.com bet is notorious for mis - pricing... Somehow they've stayed in business... Being bank rolled by someone
Originally Posted by mikeyddd:
“Quinn on talksport still referring to Iceland as a pub team.”
“Quinn on talksport still referring to Iceland as a pub team.”
Quinnie can be entertaining, but talks a load of crap when it comes to football.
Iceland beat Holland twice in qualifying, and they've beaten Spain. Although they have this good record, I think it is difficult for bigger teams not to underestimate them.
Originally Posted by gemma-the-husky:
“no they don't. They are made to look good by the foreigners in the teams.
eg Chris Smalling was completely exposed in the cup final. He carried this form through to the Euros.
Is there really no better defender than him?
England have done the thing that lots of teams do. Kept players on beyond their sell by date, instead of selecting the best team full stop.
I think England would have won the World Cup in 1966 with Greaves, but Hodgson would never have had the bottle to leave a Greaves out of the team.”
“no they don't. They are made to look good by the foreigners in the teams.
eg Chris Smalling was completely exposed in the cup final. He carried this form through to the Euros.
Is there really no better defender than him?
England have done the thing that lots of teams do. Kept players on beyond their sell by date, instead of selecting the best team full stop.
I think England would have won the World Cup in 1966 with Greaves, but Hodgson would never have had the bottle to leave a Greaves out of the team.”
Are you trying to say guys like Kane aren't good for their club sides? If they weren't good for their club then their teams are so rich they could just replace them. The England system and manager they play under is vastly inferior to their club careers and Hodgson and Gary Neville etc didn't have a clue what they were doing.
Hodgson is a terrible manager. Duh. That's a shocker. As if it wasn't obvious ages ago.
England will NEVER win anything without a good manager (which the English managers currently in contention just aren't!!). Duh. Again, shocking stuff.
England will NEVER win anything without a good manager (which the English managers currently in contention just aren't!!). Duh. Again, shocking stuff.
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“Quinnie can be entertaining, but talks a load of crap when it comes to football.
Iceland beat Holland twice in qualifying, and they've beaten Spain. Although they have this good record, I think it is difficult for bigger teams not to underestimate them.”
“Quinnie can be entertaining, but talks a load of crap when it comes to football.
Iceland beat Holland twice in qualifying, and they've beaten Spain. Although they have this good record, I think it is difficult for bigger teams not to underestimate them.”
Holland didn't qualify for a tournament for which literally all of Europe and her friends qualified. They were bloody awful.
I wish Iceland played a team like Germany - then people would realise that they really are not that good
England even made Russia look decent(ish).
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“Holland didn't qualify for a tournament for which literally all of Europe and her friends qualified. They were bloody awful.
I wish Iceland played a team like Germany - then people would realise that they really are not that good England even made Russia look decent(ish).”
“Holland didn't qualify for a tournament for which literally all of Europe and her friends qualified. They were bloody awful.
I wish Iceland played a team like Germany - then people would realise that they really are not that good
England even made Russia look decent(ish).”
So you want them to play the best team in the world to prove they are not very good.
About sums you up to be honest.
They have a good record, and did actually contribute to the excellent wins they've had of late.
Who do you actually support, or do you just slag off England?
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“Hodgson is a terrible manager. Duh. That's a shocker. As if it wasn't obvious ages ago.
England will NEVER win anything without a good manager (which the English managers currently in contention just aren't!!). Duh. Again, shocking stuff.”
“Hodgson is a terrible manager. Duh. That's a shocker. As if it wasn't obvious ages ago.
England will NEVER win anything without a good manager (which the English managers currently in contention just aren't!!). Duh. Again, shocking stuff.”
I think they actually need better players to win tournaments like this.
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“I think they actually need better players to win tournaments like this.”
“I think they actually need better players to win tournaments like this.”
England HAVE better players
They need a better manager to pick the right players to play as a team.
Except for Venables, England haven't had the right manager since Sir Alf Ramsey.
Failed to pick Clough.
Picked Hodgson over Allardyce.
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“I think those pressures were exactly what happened last night. There is no other explanation. The players are not rubbish, but they collapsed mentally, and although it was the worst breakdown in that way that I can remember, it's far from the first time.
The savagery that awaits their every defeat leads to that fear factor, and you could see it as soon as they went behind last night.
It needs addressing somehow, and our media, and so called fans have to look at their own roles in this never ending cycle.”
“I think those pressures were exactly what happened last night. There is no other explanation. The players are not rubbish, but they collapsed mentally, and although it was the worst breakdown in that way that I can remember, it's far from the first time.
The savagery that awaits their every defeat leads to that fear factor, and you could see it as soon as they went behind last night.
It needs addressing somehow, and our media, and so called fans have to look at their own roles in this never ending cycle.”
I can understand one or two players collapsing mentally
But the whole team including the goalkeeper
I dont think i have seen that before in major tourament like this
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“So you want them to play the best team in the world to prove they are not very good.
About sums you up to be honest.
They have a good record, and did actually contribute to the excellent wins they've had of late.
Who do you actually support, or do you just slag off England?”
“So you want them to play the best team in the world to prove they are not very good.
About sums you up to be honest.
They have a good record, and did actually contribute to the excellent wins they've had of late.
Who do you actually support, or do you just slag off England?”
I support Italy, but I want England to do well, although I am always amazed at the maddening incompetence of English coaches. I have been saying Hodgson is a nothing manager for years!
In my view the two most important components to the success of a national side are (1) a a good manager and (2) a good goal keeper. England usually have neither (I thought Sven was the last good manager England had).
The reason I said Germany should show England how to beat Iceland is because Germany NEVER lose to minnows at tournaments. Small teams just don't exist for them, not because they are individually stronger footballers, but because they are always incredibly well-prepared.
They are not like France who are individually so good that they just turn up and beat Ireland on individual quality. The Germans study their opponents meticulously and ALWAYS have a game plan about how to beat them. Iceland's strategic genius could never catch Germany by surprise. When you have a strategy, the superior individual quality of each footballer then plays its role, but organisation is key.
Slovakia looked like a tough side to break down when they played England, but Germany just walked all over them because as I said, small teams can never intimidate Germany. Even in the dark days of the terrible German side of 2002 under Voller, they managed to crawl to the WC final by beating minnows (and having a great goal keeper).
And if you think the German press wouldn't destroy, humiliate and totally pulverized the Germany team if they lost to Iceland, you are very wrong. The British press is terrible, but this England performance deserves all it gets.
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“I think they actually need better players to win tournaments like this.”
“I think they actually need better players to win tournaments like this.”
That's erroneous thinking. You underestimate the key role of a manager. If Conte can make a team whose most creative player is someone who wasn't good enough for Sunderland play a strong Spain squad off the pitch, I'm sure a manager could devise a strategy to get a team of decent Premier League stars to beat Iceland.
Look at rugby. Last year England were humiliated. The team hasn't changed, but the manager has and he put players in their correct positions, added some organisation and strategic thinking and they are suddently beating everyone.
I can bet anything that Low would have taken the very same England squad to the semi finals.
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“I support Italy, but I want England to do well, although I am always amazed at the maddening incompetence of English coaches. I have been saying Hodgson is a nothing manager for years!
In my view the two most important components to the success of a national side are (1) a a good manager and (2) a good goal keeper. England usually have neither (I thought Sven was the last good manager England had).
The reason I said Germany should show England how to beat Iceland is because Germany NEVER lose to minnows at tournaments. Small teams just don't exist for them, not because they are individually stronger footballers, but because they are always incredibly well-prepared.
They are not like France who are individually so good that they just turn up and beat Ireland on individual quality. The Germans study their opponents meticulously and ALWAYS have a game plan about how to beat them. Iceland's strategic genius could never catch Germany by surprise. When you have a strategy, the superior individual quality of each footballer then plays its role, but organisation is key.
Slovakia looked like a tough side to break down when they played England, but Germany just walked all over them because as I said, small teams can never intimidate Germany. Even in the dark days of the terrible German side of 2002 under Voller, they managed to crawl to the WC final by beating minnows (and having a great goal keeper).
And if you think the German press wouldn't destroy, humiliate and totally pulverized the Germany team if they lost to Iceland, you are very wrong. The British press is terrible, but this England performance deserves all it gets.
That's erroneous thinking. You underestimate the key role of a manager. If Conte can make a team whose most creative player is someone who wasn't good enough for Sunderland play a strong Spain squad off the pitch, I'm sure a manager could devise a strategy to get a team of decent Premier League stars to beat Iceland.
Look at rugby. Last year England were humiliated. The team hasn't changed, but the manager has and he put players in their correct positions, added some organisation and strategic thinking and they are suddently beating everyone.
I can bet anything that Low would have taken the very same England squad to the semi finals.”
“I support Italy, but I want England to do well, although I am always amazed at the maddening incompetence of English coaches. I have been saying Hodgson is a nothing manager for years!
In my view the two most important components to the success of a national side are (1) a a good manager and (2) a good goal keeper. England usually have neither (I thought Sven was the last good manager England had).
The reason I said Germany should show England how to beat Iceland is because Germany NEVER lose to minnows at tournaments. Small teams just don't exist for them, not because they are individually stronger footballers, but because they are always incredibly well-prepared.
They are not like France who are individually so good that they just turn up and beat Ireland on individual quality. The Germans study their opponents meticulously and ALWAYS have a game plan about how to beat them. Iceland's strategic genius could never catch Germany by surprise. When you have a strategy, the superior individual quality of each footballer then plays its role, but organisation is key.
Slovakia looked like a tough side to break down when they played England, but Germany just walked all over them because as I said, small teams can never intimidate Germany. Even in the dark days of the terrible German side of 2002 under Voller, they managed to crawl to the WC final by beating minnows (and having a great goal keeper).
And if you think the German press wouldn't destroy, humiliate and totally pulverized the Germany team if they lost to Iceland, you are very wrong. The British press is terrible, but this England performance deserves all it gets.
That's erroneous thinking. You underestimate the key role of a manager. If Conte can make a team whose most creative player is someone who wasn't good enough for Sunderland play a strong Spain squad off the pitch, I'm sure a manager could devise a strategy to get a team of decent Premier League stars to beat Iceland.
Look at rugby. Last year England were humiliated. The team hasn't changed, but the manager has and he put players in their correct positions, added some organisation and strategic thinking and they are suddently beating everyone.
I can bet anything that Low would have taken the very same England squad to the semi finals.”
Your right
You can blame the players for not playing at their ability
And you can say that the players were not good enough
But if we had a manager like Antonio Conte
We would have beaten Iceland easily and gone into the France match in great shape
So England losing to Iceland was all down to Hodgson
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“I support Italy, but I want England to do well, although I am always amazed at the maddening incompetence of English coaches. I have been saying Hodgson is a nothing manager for years!
In my view the two most important components to the success of a national side are (1) a a good manager and (2) a good goal keeper. England usually have neither (I thought Sven was the last good manager England had).
The reason I said Germany should show England how to beat Iceland is because Germany NEVER lose to minnows at tournaments. Small teams just don't exist for them, not because they are individually stronger footballers, but because they are always incredibly well-prepared.
They are not like France who are individually so good that they just turn up and beat Ireland on individual quality. The Germans study their opponents meticulously and ALWAYS have a game plan about how to beat them. Iceland's strategic genius could never catch Germany by surprise. When you have a strategy, the superior individual quality of each footballer then plays its role, but organisation is key.
Slovakia looked like a tough side to break down when they played England, but Germany just walked all over them because as I said, small teams can never intimidate Germany. Even in the dark days of the terrible German side of 2002 under Voller, they managed to crawl to the WC final by beating minnows (and having a great goal keeper).
And if you think the German press wouldn't destroy, humiliate and totally pulverized the Germany team if they lost to Iceland, you are very wrong. The British press is terrible, but this England performance deserves all it gets.
That's erroneous thinking. You underestimate the key role of a manager. If Conte can make a team whose most creative player is someone who wasn't good enough for Sunderland play a strong Spain squad off the pitch, I'm sure a manager could devise a strategy to get a team of decent Premier League stars to beat Iceland.
Look at rugby. Last year England were humiliated. The team hasn't changed, but the manager has and he put players in their correct positions, added some organisation and strategic thinking and they are suddently beating everyone.
I can bet anything that Low would have taken the very same England squad to the semi finals.”
“I support Italy, but I want England to do well, although I am always amazed at the maddening incompetence of English coaches. I have been saying Hodgson is a nothing manager for years!
In my view the two most important components to the success of a national side are (1) a a good manager and (2) a good goal keeper. England usually have neither (I thought Sven was the last good manager England had).
The reason I said Germany should show England how to beat Iceland is because Germany NEVER lose to minnows at tournaments. Small teams just don't exist for them, not because they are individually stronger footballers, but because they are always incredibly well-prepared.
They are not like France who are individually so good that they just turn up and beat Ireland on individual quality. The Germans study their opponents meticulously and ALWAYS have a game plan about how to beat them. Iceland's strategic genius could never catch Germany by surprise. When you have a strategy, the superior individual quality of each footballer then plays its role, but organisation is key.
Slovakia looked like a tough side to break down when they played England, but Germany just walked all over them because as I said, small teams can never intimidate Germany. Even in the dark days of the terrible German side of 2002 under Voller, they managed to crawl to the WC final by beating minnows (and having a great goal keeper).
And if you think the German press wouldn't destroy, humiliate and totally pulverized the Germany team if they lost to Iceland, you are very wrong. The British press is terrible, but this England performance deserves all it gets.
That's erroneous thinking. You underestimate the key role of a manager. If Conte can make a team whose most creative player is someone who wasn't good enough for Sunderland play a strong Spain squad off the pitch, I'm sure a manager could devise a strategy to get a team of decent Premier League stars to beat Iceland.
Look at rugby. Last year England were humiliated. The team hasn't changed, but the manager has and he put players in their correct positions, added some organisation and strategic thinking and they are suddently beating everyone.
I can bet anything that Low would have taken the very same England squad to the semi finals.”
Brilliant post.
Originally Posted by owen10:
“Your right
You can blame the players for not playing at their ability
And you can say that the players were not good enough
But if we had a manager like Antonio Conte
We would have beaten Iceland easily and gone into the France match in great shape
So England losing to Iceland was all down to Hodgson”
“Your right
You can blame the players for not playing at their ability
And you can say that the players were not good enough
But if we had a manager like Antonio Conte
We would have beaten Iceland easily and gone into the France match in great shape
So England losing to Iceland was all down to Hodgson”
Hodgson didn't tell them, or make them play like that. No one could foresee that performance. They have all played much better under him.
Panic set in for some reason, and they couldn't perform basic skills.
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“Hodgson didn't tell them, or make them play like that. No one could foresee that performance. They have all played much better under him.
Panic set in for some reason, and they couldn't perform basic skills.”
“Hodgson didn't tell them, or make them play like that. No one could foresee that performance. They have all played much better under him.
Panic set in for some reason, and they couldn't perform basic skills.”
Do you think resting so many players against Slovakia affected them as we could not get a settled team
And did our formation really suit our players
Originally Posted by owen10:
“Do you think resting so many players against Slovakia affected them as we could not get a settled team
And did our formation really suit our players”
“Do you think resting so many players against Slovakia affected them as we could not get a settled team
And did our formation really suit our players”
They'd played it before without any problems, and since when did resting players become a problem? We see it week in week out in the league.
They all had a major breakdown elating to fear, panic etc. They couldn't do the simple things they normally do without thinking.
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