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I distinctly remember Glen Hoddle saying he'd play Lampard and Gerrard together at the 2014 World Cup in central midfield, at a time when they'd finally been separated after over a decade of them playing together and not coming close to working.
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Hoddle's day has passed. His co commentary and insight now is very poor.
I'd happily have Wenger. Kilinnsman is not respected or rated by those who are well informed about football over there. There really isn't anyone who stands out.... BBC survey had the leading contender getting only 13% yesterday... Can't remember who it was even |
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Hoddle's day has passed. His co commentary and insight now is very poor.
I'd happily have Wenger. Wenger would have been the right man 20 years ago. Unfortunately it was Arsenal who thought outside the box and at the time it was a real forward thinking appointment. When you look back with obvious hindsight it would have been easy to imagine Wenger in charge of England with Hoddle as his no 2. It would have been something to see Wenger run the show for a good while and then hand over to Hoddle. I imagine our team would be in a far better position than is currently the case. I don't think Eriksson did a poor job by any means but you were always left thinking with his teams that they lacked the ruthlessness when it was needed most. |
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I distinctly remember Glen Hoddle saying he'd play Lampard and Gerrard together at the 2014 World Cup in central midfield, at a time when they'd finally been separated after over a decade of them playing together and not coming close to working.
Whether playing either of them would have worked based on their being a combined age of 70, and well past their respective best, is another matter altogether. |
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Big Sam could do at. Especially if he walked in without a shirt.
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I knew the co commentary line would get dismissed. Fair enough. From what I hear from him talking about games, he doesn't impress me.
I don't think there's any comparison with Wenger and hoddle. One has been pitting his wits regularly against the best managers in the world for 20 years, albeit sometimes coming up short, the other hasn't managed any team for almost a decade. |
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To be fair to him he might well have found a way of playing them that fitted his own general preferred formation. By that time their games were quite different to the days when it was obvious that playing them together didn't work. I don't really agree it was a whole decade anyway, often Gerrard would play right side or off a main striker.
Whether playing either of them would have worked based on their being a combined age of 70, and well past their respective best, is another matter altogether. |
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I knew the co commentary line would get dismissed. Fair enough. From what I hear from him talking about games, he doesn't impress me.
I don't think there's any comparison with Wenger and hoddle. One has been pitting his wits regularly against the best managers in the world for 20 years, albeit sometimes coming up short, the other hasn't managed any team for almost a decade. And to suggest Hoddle is out of touch but suggest Wenger is equally silly. Yes Wenger has been pitting his wits against the best for decades, and for has never won a champions league, and has not won a title in well over a decade, despite being one of the highest paid managers in world football year after year after year. I would argue that Wenger is more out of touch with the modern game then Hoddle, despite his time out of management. Wenger stopped being a good manager over a decade ago, his tactics are cemented in an era long gone. He hasnt moved with the times and plenty of Arsenal fans I know agree. He also has zero ambition, simply coasting this last decade, in the comfort zone of a job he can never be sacked from. He would never take the England job anyway...............because he would actually have to work to achieve something. |
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Sky News saying that a campaign is starting to get Beckham as manager.
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I knew the co commentary line would get dismissed. Fair enough. From what I hear from him talking about games, he doesn't impress me.
I don't think there's any comparison with Wenger and hoddle. One has been pitting his wits regularly against the best managers in the world for 20 years, albeit sometimes coming up short, the other hasn't managed any team for almost a decade. For the last 10 years, Wenger has mostly failed, its as simple as. He's not managed to win a European trophy in 20 seasons. His style of play was successful in the first half of his spell but not any more. There was a time when he would have been the perfect choice. To be honest I'd have been thrilled had he took over from even McLaren, but now, no. He's seriously no better as a suggestion to succeed Hodgson than Hoddle. |
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Sky News saying that a campaign is starting to get Beckham as manager.
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I suppose in a world where Trump might be next president and Boris might be next PM then it makes some sort of insane sense. |
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Sky News saying that a campaign is starting to get Beckham as manager.
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Victoria or David?
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Sky News saying that a campaign is starting to get Beckham as manager.
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Slaven Bilić
would be a good choice i think |
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Victoria or David?
To be honest Victoria could be an awesome choice. |
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You've dismissed Hoddle's managerial skills based on your appraisal of his co-commentary. I don't know why you are so surprised that someone else has pulled it up.
For the last 10 years, Wenger has mostly failed, its as simple as. He's not managed to win a European trophy in 20 seasons. His style of play was successful in the first half of his spell but not any more. There was a time when he would have been the perfect choice. To be honest I'd have been thrilled had he took over from even McLaren, but now, no. He's seriously no better as a suggestion to succeed Hodgson than Hoddle. You saying that he's seriously no better a suggestion than hoddle doesn't make your opinion correct. I seriously think he is a better suggestion. |
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Slaven Bilić
would be a good choice i think But, he can finish 6th where he is and be seen to be doing a fine job. He'd be on a hiding to nothing managing England with another set of players who turn to jelly at the slightest sign of pressure. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I suppose in a world where Trump might be next president and Boris might be next PM then it makes some sort of insane sense. Why shouldn't he be given the job? |
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Who on earth cares about his commentary (except you)? Some poor managers make great commentators and some great commentators make poor managers. It means absolutely nothing.
And to suggest Hoddle is out of touch but suggest Wenger is equally silly. Yes Wenger has been pitting his wits against the best for decades, and for has never won a champions league, and has not won a title in well over a decade, despite being one of the highest paid managers in world football year after year after year. I would argue that Wenger is more out of touch with the modern game then Hoddle, despite his time out of management. Wenger stopped being a good manager over a decade ago, his tactics are cemented in an era long gone. He hasnt moved with the times and plenty of Arsenal fans I know agree. He also has zero ambition, simply coasting this last decade, in the comfort zone of a job he can never be sacked from. He would never take the England job anyway...............because he would actually have to work to achieve something. What has hoddle done since he left the Englamd role that makes people think he would be a good option? |
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I didn't say I was surprised at all. I was not surprised that that particular comment was pulled up.
You saying that he's seriously no better a suggestion than hoddle doesn't make your opinion correct. I seriously think he is a better suggestion. Whatever you think of my opinion at least its based on their managerial credentials, as opposed to assessing their skills as a co-commentator, which represents your basis for dismissing Hoddle. |
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What has hoddle done since he left the Englamd role that makes people think he would be a good option?
Taking international jobs and being a success isn't always preceded by trophy laden success year in year out which Wenger, who will be rising 70 by the time of the next World Cup, hasn't achieved anyway. |
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If you weren't surprised to be pulled up by it then its strange that you decided to offer the observation in the first place and then offer no meaningful riposte.
Whatever you think of my opinion at least its based on their managerial credentials, as opposed to assessing their skills as a co-commentator, which represents your basis for dismissing Hoddle. So I won't argue with that, Neville spoke very well and has only been linked to failure in his short time gaining hands on experience. |
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Its what he actually did in the England role that best advertises his credentials. He wasn't dismissed because of the football his side played.
Taking international jobs and being a success isn't always preceded by trophy laden success year in year out which Wenger, who will be rising 70 by the time of the next World Cup, hasn't achieved anyway. I acknowledge the age thing. |
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Because it's not unreasonable to judge someone's knowledge about football tactics and players by listening to what they say about tactics and players.
Alex Ferguson was never much of a pundit on the rare occasions he was tried. No one would have trusted Tony Pulis to run his local Dog and Duck side if they'd listened to his co-commentary on Spain v Turkey. There are scores of football managers whose ability to get the best out their players bears little relation to their ability to actually talk tactics and players publicly. That's why its a ridiculous comparison. |
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