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Sky News saying that a campaign is starting to get Beckham as manager.
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#277 |
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It is a poor barometer.
Alex Ferguson was never much of a pundit on the rare occasions he was tried. No one would have trusted Tony Pulis to run his local Dog and Duck side if they'd listened to his co-commentary on Spain v Turkey. There are scores of football managers whose ability to get the best out their players bears little relation to their ability to actually talk tactics and players publicly. That's why its a ridiculous comparison. |
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Not sure how your second para relates to what I've said anyway.
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Ok Meols. Ridiculous and silly it is.
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Its because I've explained Hoddle's credentials. I was hoping you might clarify Wenger's. I'm assuming you can do so with some comfort, given you've got a strong opinion that he's a better candidate than Hoddle.
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He is surely a bit busy with Miami FC, and getting that started.
I doubt Southgate will take it either, he's also quite busy, with the England Under 21s. Slaven Bilic is in charge of West Ham already, so that must rule him out. Alan Curbishley it is! |
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Slaven Bilić
would be a good choice i think It is not as simple as saying "x" would be good if they are already in a very good job, as really how many would turn down the weekly run of being a club manager in the Premier League, pitting their wits against some of the other best managers in the world, to go to international football to play friendly matches, and poor qualification matches? Hence why it is going to be hard to appoint someone who is currently managing in the Premier League, and whomever it will be that takes over, probably will be someone outwith that league, or is a free agent currently. |
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Twenty plus years coaching players at the top level. Coming up against every type of modern and old,fashioned tactic... Playing great free flowing football, managed big egos, often achieved results against stronger teams on paper. Won numerous cup competitions. Used to the English press. .
However, you are air brushing the last 12 years, unfortunately. There was a time when, yes, I'd have loved him to manage England. But I think his time has come and gone. |
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Yes, I doubt he'd take the England job.
I doubt Southgate will take it either, he's also quite busy, with the England Under 21s. Slaven Bilic is in charge of West Ham already, so that must rule him out. Alan Curbishley it is! At this rate, Curbishley might be in with a chance! |
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I completely give you those points from 1996-2005.
However, you are air brushing the last 12 years, unfortunately. There was a time when, yes, I'd have loved him to manage England. But I think his time has come and gone. He is way past his best. Hiring him would be a huge error. |
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Yes because he would give up the West Ham job for the England one wouldn't he?
It is not as simple as saying "x" would be good if they are already in a very good job, as really how many would turn down the weekly run of being a club manager in the Premier League, pitting their wits against some of the other best managers in the world, to go to international football to play friendly matches, and poor qualification matches? Hence why it is going to be hard to appoint someone who is currently managing in the Premier League, and whomever it will be that takes over, probably will be someone outwith that league, or is a free agent currently. In footballing circles we shouldn't underestimate what a prestigious, albeit, difficult job, it is. |
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You are most certainly on my wavelength regarding Wenger.
He is way past his best. Hiring him would be a huge error. I think I asked you before who'd be your choice battdude, do you have any answer, because you've dismissed quite a few of them now mate? |
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I completely give you those points from 1996-2005.
However, you are air brushing the last 12 years, unfortunately. There was a time when, yes, I'd have loved him to manage England. But I think his time has come and gone. Anyway, neither of them are likely to be in the running. |
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Yes. but there are no strong candidates and if it was down to hoddle v Wenger, I'd take the latter. In fact if we're talking of ex England managers, I'd take el Tel over Hoddle as well! However, hoddle would trump Redknapp!
Anyway, neither of them are likely to be in the running. As for not being in the running, Hoddle is the bookies second favourite at present. If you'd take Wenger fine but I can't see it myself. Wenger is even behind Harry Redknapp in the betting which must tell you something. |
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Does Hoddle still have faith in faith healers?
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Neil Warnock, seriously.
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Yep. Do you think though, there would have been a time when he'd have been the ideal candidate?
I think I asked you before who'd be your choice battdude, do you have any answer, because you've dismissed quite a few of them now mate? I think he would have been a good choice (if we could have persuaded him to join) in the early part of the 2000's, or just after the site called invincibles season. As for other potential candidates that I quite like, unless The FA are willing to change their blazer structure, then it is hard to see any potential head coach doing well with us. But just for arguments sake, I would go with any of Klinsmann, Frank de Boer, Michael Laudrup, or even Blanc. |
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Its because I've explained Hoddle's credentials. I was hoping you might clarify Wenger's. I'm assuming you can do so with some comfort, given you've got a strong opinion that he's a better candidate than Hoddle.
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Sky News saying that a campaign is starting to get Beckham as manager.
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Honest question .
Why shouldn't he be given the job? If I was looking for a football manager then I'd start at the point of "has this person demonstrated an ability to manage a team?". That's just how I see it. That's quality required #1 as far as I'm concerned. The rest can be argued and how Beckham's personality would fit all that but surely a background in management/coaching is a prerequisite? There's also the point of him being a fairly recent former player so some people might say he'd be too close to players and possibly lack authority. I'm unsure on that. Perhaps it would be a help or perhaps it would be a hindrance. The one positive I can see is that he's personable enough to handle the press and somewhat used to the high profile nature of it all. He might get an easier time of things due to that - perhaps. |
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I get what you are saying but I think the England job is such a massive pull, not something offered every week, I think Bilic would take it if it was offered. I could only think of a handful of managers in world football who wouldn't be interested.
In footballing circles we shouldn't underestimate what a prestigious, albeit, difficult job, it is. |
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Southgate has said he doesn't want it so God know where the FA goes now. I know Alan Shearer said he'd do it, and Rio Ferdinand also said he'd like to play some kind of role so maybe they'll take them up on that. Beyond that I really can't see anybody suitable who's British. They might have no choice but to go foreign again.
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Southgate has said he doesn't want it so God know where the FA goes now. I know Alan Shearer said he'd do it, and Rio Ferdinand also said he'd like to play some kind of role so maybe they'll take them up on that. Beyond that I really can't see anybody suitable who's British. They might have no choice but to go foreign again.
Shearer and Rio have zero. A good player doesn't make a good coach or manager |
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You know Hoddle's slim credentials but you need to have Wenger's explained to you..?
Hoddle's credentials aren't slim by any means. He was well suited to the job and his stupid comments that cost him dear. A lot of the things that led to him failing at club level, at least with Spurs, which in my view related to transfers and day to day dealing with players, wouldn't be an issue in the England job. He was a great player too. Quote:
Err... this is a team that just lost to Iceland (and I'm afraid is now the butt of all jokes in the football world). Managing England up to 2006 was prestigious. Managing England nowadays is pretty embarrassing.
Don't try and make it appear that we could only ever entice the Chuckle Brothers or Orville the Duck when its entirely likely that we can expect a name of some gravitas. |
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But just for arguments sake, I would go with any of Klinsmann, Frank de Boer, Michael Laudrup, or even Blanc.
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