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But just for arguments sake, I would go with any of Klinsmann, Frank de Boer, Michael Laudrup, or even Blanc.
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I get what you are saying but I think the England job is such a massive pull, not something offered every week, I think Bilic would take it if it was offered. I could only think of a handful of managers in world football who wouldn't be interested.
In footballing circles we shouldn't underestimate what a prestigious, albeit, difficult job, it is. Off the top of my head I don't think there has been an England manager since Robson who hasn't left the post damaged in some way. It isn't a good job to enhance your reputation. I think many managers will know this and take a bit of persuading. That said the kudos that would come with sorting out England would be absolutely massive! |
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I think there are plenty of people who would be interested but I think that it would be a struggle to pull a manager in the prime of his career from a club side in a decent league. That isn't an "England" issue I think it might be a bit of an International football issue.!
Which is also a completely different point to "England are shit noone would take it." |
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Has Hodgson actually given a proper explanation for the second half meltdown?
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Southgate has I have read said that he doesn't want the top job, so that might rule him out, unless he has a change of heart.
At this rate, Curbishley might be in with a chance! It's been the same since the days of Robson, who is so fondly remembered, but was actually treated appallingly by the press. On top of that we have all the hatchet jobs on social media too now. The job has to be well paid for anyone to go through all that. |
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Agreed. My point is that it is seen in coaching circles as the most prestigious job in World football. That doesn't mean you'd get Ferguson, Mourinho, Wenger at their peak. Its too much of a part time role for their likes at their peak.
Which is also a completely different point to "England are shit noone would take it." How can the England job be the most prestigious in world football when they have only won the WC once 50 years ago, never won a Euro Cup, only been in one WC and one Euro semi-final since 1966, which they lost and have been performing worse and worse at every tournament since 1996. They keep sinking to new lows at every recent tournament. I don't think I need to list the endless list of teams who have outperformed England in that time.Why would it be considered the most prestigous job in world football and by whom? |
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I get what you are saying but I think the England job is such a massive pull, not something offered every week, I think Bilic would take it if it was offered. I could only think of a handful of managers in world football who wouldn't be interested.
In footballing circles we shouldn't underestimate what a prestigious, albeit, difficult job, it is. International football is only like that at the major tournaments, and even then, it might only be for one or two weeks. I couldn't see Bilic leaving the West Ham job, and all of the positive things he has got going for him there, to go back into a part-time role (as was the case with him and the Croatian job). The England job might be all that you say it is, but at heart, it is just like any other international job, The FA cannot offer anyone a competitive role, as the games will always be sparsely put together. The role tends to go to those who either want a break from club management, or those on their way up, not someone who is at their peak of their powers. |
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As for good players not making good managers... Obviously not all good players are good managers, but quite a few of them are. Pep and Conte were both great players
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As for good players not making good managers... Obviously not all good players are good managers, but quite a few of them are. Pep and Conte were both great players
The argument that a great player should walk straight into a top job in management, to me, is laughable. Its like the best student in class applying for a teacher vacancy, without studying or having any experience. |
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BIB - in which circles
How can the England job be the most prestigious in world football when they have only won the WC once 50 years ago, never won a Euro Cup, only been in one WC and one Euro semi-final since 1966, which they lost and have been performing worse and worse at every tournament since 1996. They keep sinking to new lows at every recent tournament. I don't think I need to list the endless list of teams who have outperformed England in that time.Why would it be considered the most prestigous job in world football and by whom? I don't need you putting silly emoticons up to continue the discussion, I'm not a ********. |
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As for good players not making good managers... Obviously not all good players are good managers, but quite a few of them are. Pep and Conte were both great players
I thin that tells us a lot about your ability to appraise the game. |
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BBC and Sky contradicting each other over Southgate's interest in England job.
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As for good players not making good managers... Obviously not all good players are good managers, but quite a few of them are. Pep and Conte were both great players
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What about the most decorated player in the history of the game, Giggs, Di you think he will become a good or great manager, as he was a far more successful player then either of those two as as player.
The only way we will know how goo0d a manager he is, is if he accepts a managerial position at another club. I hope he starts outside of the PL and works his way up on merit rather than name recognition. |
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Its where football was born, and to have the position is considered an honour worldwide. I don't need to tell you who's said it but Eriksson or Capello would undoubtedly confirm it. How England are doing as a team is a totally different and irrelevant matter to my point.
I don't need you putting silly emoticons up to continue the discussion, I'm not a ********. As for Eriksson... he is a good manager who took the job at a time when England had great players and only looked to be lacking a little bit of luck. It was indeed prestigious to be the England manager back then (it was also an extremely well-paid job). He was subsequently destroyed by the English press, his players underachieved and his reputation was certainly tarnished. Would he have agreed to take on the job with hindsight? Probably yes - for the money, but not for the prestige of it. Capello is another matter. For any Italian, the most prestigious position in football is to be the Italy manager. He took the England job for the money, just like he took the Russia job for the money. That's what he does. His reputation was once again tarnished after he left England. I doubt he still thinks the position brought him any prestige, although it certainly brought him a fortune. I am sure you will be able to get a reasonably well-known manager (someone like Hiddink at best) who would do it for the money thinking that nothing he does could be worse than what his predecessor did. However, you will never be able to get one of the top top managers who care about their reputation to take the England job. |
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What about the most decorated player in the history of the game, Giggs, Di you think he will become a good or great manager, as he was a far more successful player then either of those two as as player.
Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Zagallo, Rijkaard, Vogts, Ancelotti, Zoff, Guardiola, Conte etc etc and countless other famous players made excellent managers. |
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Does Hoddle still have faith in faith healers?
As for Beckham, it might be a good idea if there was a change in the rules, allowing him to come on and take set pieces 😀 |
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You are getting overly emotional. Yes, England is where football was born, but other nations have taken the game to another level and England has been left behind.
As for Eriksson... he is a good manager who took the job at a time when England had great players and only looked to be lacking a little bit of luck. It was indeed prestigious to be the England manager back then (it was also an extremely well-paid job). He was subsequently destroyed by the English press, his players underachieved and his reputation was certainly tarnished. Would he have agreed to take on the job with hindsight? Probably yes - for the money, but not for the prestige of it. Capello is another matter. For any Italian, the most prestigious position in football is to be the Italy manager. He took the England job for the money, just like he took the Russia job for the money. That's what he does. His reputation was once again tarnished after he left England. I doubt he still thinks the position brought him any prestige, although it certainly brought him a fortune. I am sure you will be able to get a reasonably well-known manager (someone like Hiddink at best) who would do it for the money thinking that nothing he does could be worse than what his predecessor did. However, you will never be able to get one of the top top managers who care about their reputation to take the England job. If we haven't been successful that is a wholly different point. I'm in general agreement over the difficulty of getting the worlds best manager but its a total side point. |
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God knows what the Engish did in a former life to deserve Monday night.
As for Beckham, it might be a good idea if there was a change in the rules, allowing him to come on and take set pieces 😀
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Does he even have any coaching badges?
Personally I think big Ron Atkinson should get a go I genuinely cannot think of a single reasonable candidate, at least not a British one.
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BBC and Sky contradicting each other over Southgate's interest in England job.
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BIB - in which circles
How can the England job be the most prestigious in world football when they have only won the WC once 50 years ago, never won a Euro Cup, only been in one WC and one Euro semi-final since 1966, which they lost and have been performing worse and worse at every tournament since 1996. They keep sinking to new lows at every recent tournament. I don't think I need to list the endless list of teams who have outperformed England in that time.Why would it be considered the most prestigous job in world football and by whom? It's not the most "prestigious job" it's the biggest chàllenge in international football! England are the international version of a "sleeping giant." It's become almost an impossible job. I have no idea when or who willl turn us into champs, but sooner or later we will find a manager who will get us there. That man will become an English sporting legend! |
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He has been assistant manager to two United managers in moyes and LVG that its fair to say were failures. Do we accept that giggs had no input to that, or was a part of those failures?
The only way we will know how goo0d a manager he is, is if he accepts a managerial position at another club. I hope he starts outside of the PL and works his way up on merit rather than name recognition. |
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It's not the most "prestigious job" it's the biggest chàllenge in international football!
England are the international version of a "sleeping giant." It's become almost an impossible job. I have no idea when or who willl turn us into champs, but sooner or later we will find a manager who will get us there. That man will become an English sporting legend! ![]() I think if Low wins the Euro Cup, he will achieve the untouchable status needed to take on the England challenge. I honestly believe Low (given that he is out of contract after Euro 2016) is your only hope at success in the near future. |
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None of Ferguson's assistants at United succeeded as managers in their own right.
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How can the England job be the most prestigious in world football when they have only won the WC once 50 years ago, never won a Euro Cup, only been in one WC and one Euro semi-final since 1966, which they lost and have been performing worse and worse at every tournament since 1996. They keep sinking to new lows at every recent tournament. I don't think I need to list the endless list of teams who have outperformed England in that time.
I genuinely cannot think of a single reasonable candidate, at least not a British one.