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Old 30-06-2016, 16:16
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Errr.....Walter Smith did okay at Rangers, he was with us for a very brief time!
I think to be fair whilst your right he was probably talking about managers who left to become managers in their own right such as Kidd, McClaren and Queiroz.
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Old 30-06-2016, 16:18
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I think to be fair whilst your right he was probably talking about managers who left to become managers in their own right such as Kidd, McClaren and Queiroz.
True, but it was just the way that poster put it I suppose.
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Old 30-06-2016, 16:19
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That's what England has been dreaming of for 50 years and it's still dreaming...

I think if Low wins the Euro Cup, he will achieve the untouchable status needed to take on the England challenge. I honestly believe Low (given that he is out of contract after Euro 2016) is your only hope at success in the near future.
I can appreciate why you regard Joachim Löw so highly. However, I do not believe any managerial appointment on its own, no matter who, can solve the English problem, of failing to realise the potential of the not inconsiderable resources - human and material - available in the English game. We have been underachieving for so long relative to the resources it has become almost part of the national game. We don't just need the right manager, we need him to be working with an agree plan (agree by and with the Premier League and the FA among others) to transform the fortunes of the national team. Without such a plan, I think any manager, even one so able as Löw, will be doomed to repeat the unrealised hopes of the past.

My guess is there will be no such agreement between the FA and the Premier League and we will continue to repeat the dashed hopes and embarrassment of previous tournaments. And our media will continue to give the manager and whoever has been identified as a star a remorseless kicking.
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Old 30-06-2016, 16:25
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I can appreciate why you regard Joachim Löw so highly. However, I do not believe any managerial appointment on its own, no matter who, can solve the English problem, of failing to realise the potential of the not inconsiderable resources - human and material - available in the English game. We have been underachieving for so long relative to the resources it has become almost part of the national game. We don't just need the right manager, we need him to be working with an agree plan (agree by and with the Premier League and the FA among others) to transform the fortunes of the national team. Without such a plan, I think any manager, even one so able as Löw, will be doomed to repeat the unrealised hopes of the past.

My guess is there will be no such agreement between the FA and the Premier League and we will continue to repeat the dashed hopes and embarrassment of previous tournaments. And our media will continue to give the manager and whoever has been identified as a star a remorseless kicking.
I could not have put it any better, I am in full agreement with you here.
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Old 30-06-2016, 16:27
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I can appreciate why you regard Joachim Löw so highly. However, I do not believe any managerial appointment on its own, no matter who, can solve the English problem, of failing to realise the potential of the not inconsiderable resources - human and material - available in the English game. We have been underachieving for so long relative to the resources it has become almost part of the national game. We don't just need the right manager, we need him to be working with an agree plan (agree by and with the Premier League and the FA among others) to transform the fortunes of the national team. Without such a plan, I think any manager, even one so able as Löw, will be doomed to repeat the unrealised hopes of the past.

My guess is there will be no such agreement between the FA and the Premier League and we will continue to repeat the dashed hopes and embarrassment of previous tournaments. And our media will continue to give the manager and whoever has been identified as a star a remorseless kicking.
But you never really had a good manager in recent years. Sven was good and the team played decent-looking football under him, but was unlucky. Capello was a crook (in my view) and completely unsuitable to the English game. The English managers you had post Hoddle were useless almost beyond belief.

You should give a great manager a try and see what happens. After all, he only has to get England to a semi-final to achieve legendary status. That is definitely a doable task, even with English players who actually aren't as terrible individually as they make it look.
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Old 30-06-2016, 16:30
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I think speculating about a manager is getting it the wrong way about. You need a tactical blueprint of how you want the team to look and play and organise, then hire someone who can implement it. That's what seemed to be seriously lacking in England's Euro performances in my opinion. So either the FA consults some serious football people to draw up a blueprint and then seeks a manager on that basis, or they go for someone experienced who can lay down those foundations while grooming a long term successor to continue the project.
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Old 30-06-2016, 17:02
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But you never really had a good manager in recent years. Sven was good and the team played decent-looking football under him, but was unlucky. Capello was a crook (in my view) and completely unsuitable to the English game. The English managers you had post Hoddle were useless almost beyond belief.

You should give a great manager a try and see what happens. After all, he only has to get England to a semi-final to achieve legendary status. That is definitely a doable task, even with English players who actually aren't as terrible individually as they make it look.
Unsurprisingly, I prefer my analysis/position as posted which, of course, does not exclude appointing what you call a great manager.
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Old 30-06-2016, 18:08
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I think speculating about a manager is getting it the wrong way about. You need a tactical blueprint of how you want the team to look and play and organise, then hire someone who can implement it. That's what seemed to be seriously lacking in England's Euro performances in my opinion. So either the FA consults some serious football people to draw up a blueprint and then seeks a manager on that basis, or they go for someone experienced who can lay down those foundations while grooming a long term successor to continue the project.
I don't think it should be done that way round. The last people I want deciding England's future tactical blueprint is the FA. You have to hire the best manager available and he then determines the tactical blueprint based on his opinions and the players that are available. A good manager won't just play one way regardless of the players he has. You play to your strengths.

The key thing, above the tactical system, is to instill confidence in the players and enable them to play wihout inhibition. Football is a very simple game and making it complicated only leads to problems.
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Old 30-06-2016, 18:19
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I don't think it should be done that way round. The last people I want deciding England's future tactical blueprint is the FA. You have to hire the best manager available and he then determines the tactical blueprint based on his opinions and the players that are available. A good manager won't just play one way regardless of the players he has. You play to your strengths.

The key thing, above the tactical system, is to instill confidence in the players and enable them to play wihout inhibition. Football is a very simple game and making it complicated only leads to problems.
This.

It's a tad crazy to do it the other way round
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Old 30-06-2016, 19:13
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Why is Wenger being mentioned about the job. Hasn't he stated before that he'll never become england manager.
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Old 30-06-2016, 19:35
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They'll mention anyone they can think of. It's all uninformed speculation, I don't take any notice of it. ITV just now were still talking about Southgate, who has ruled himself out.
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Old 30-06-2016, 19:39
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The FA and Premier League are already on the same page in terms of young player development hence the Prem League acadamies existing and being allowed to scoop up talent from almost anywhere in the country now. A fairly long and almost dull article here explains:
http://inbedwithmaradona.com/journal...at-eppp-gamble

This para from above article gives a reasonable overview:
The FA are, largely, tasked with educating footballers at their youngest age through a variety of channels from schools to grass roots clubs. It is in the FA’s interests in the very long term (the England team) to ensure coaches coaching at this age group give these players a good grounding. They aren’t the only source of funding for this but they do most of it and even more of the distributing of it. Where this young-age coaching succeeds by unearthing a good player, the coaching of that player is then effectively taken up by a Premier League club who hones that ability. The coaches who coach those players will still be educated by the FA (on the whole) but employed by the clubs and paid by the clubs

So the FA are trying to increase both the number and quality of coaches in england, coaching as specified by the FA and then letting Prem League clubs takeover. And even though this is to the detriment of lower league clubs then so be it
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Old 30-06-2016, 19:57
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True, but it was just the way that poster put it I suppose.
No worries. You are technically spot on.

Just seen, wow, you've got over 64,000 posts, how the heck do you get that many? I'd have to be on here all day for probably 10 years to get that number!
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Old 30-06-2016, 19:58
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Southgate has ruled himself out so who knows where there'll go instead.

And really, who'd want the job?
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Old 30-06-2016, 20:00
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Just choose carefully is all i'm saying because ever since Sven left, our managers have been a complete disaster. We need someone that is going to connect with the fans. Sven, despite not being a great manager done this better than the managers that followed him imo.
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Old 30-06-2016, 20:50
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I don't think it should be done that way round. The last people I want deciding England's future tactical blueprint is the FA. You have to hire the best manager available and he then determines the tactical blueprint based on his opinions and the players that are available. A good manager won't just play one way regardless of the players he has. You play to your strengths.

The key thing, above the tactical system, is to instill confidence in the players and enable them to play wihout inhibition. Football is a very simple game and making it complicated only leads to problems.
A lot of the best clubs and I'm sure some of the national sides work this way though. Barcelona would only hire a manager who would adhere to their philosophies for example. I'm not saying that the FA have that sort of know how but I just mean that they should have an idea of what they're looking for in terms of style etc. It makes more sense so that there can be some sense of continuity over the next decade or so rather than having to go back to square one every time.
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Old 30-06-2016, 21:01
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Wouldn't one of the most sensible ideas perhaps be to find a manager who can win games, and bollocks to philosophy?
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Old 30-06-2016, 21:06
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Yep, don't put the added pressure of him creating a philosophy and styles that are passed on down to u 15 levels or whatever. He's got enough on his plate as it is.
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Old 30-06-2016, 21:08
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Seems Giggs was very pro Hoddle tonight, as was Lee Dixon and Wrighty.

It could happen....
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Old 30-06-2016, 21:18
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Seems Giggs was very pro Hoddle tonight, as was Lee Dixon and Wrighty.

It could happen....
If he's managing, he's not commentating.

I like their thinking.
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Old 30-06-2016, 21:20
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Seems Giggs was very pro Hoddle tonight, as was Lee Dixon and Wrighty.

It could happen....
He came up with Hoddle and venables as possible mentors to Southgate... The cupboard is bare....
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Old 30-06-2016, 21:22
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Southgate has ruled himself out so who knows where there'll go instead.

And really, who'd want the job?
Well that's a bullet dodged as they say ... My vote still goes to Hoddle but I'd be happy enough to get Pochettino or Klinsman as well .
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Old 30-06-2016, 21:24
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He came up with Hoddle and venables as possible mentors to Southgate... The cupboard is bare....
Nearly every ex pro I've seen or heard over the last few days has suggested Hoddle.
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Old 30-06-2016, 21:57
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He came up with Hoddle and venables as possible mentors to Southgate... The cupboard is bare....
terry venables is 73, he would be nearly 76 at the world cup

he hasnt managed since 2003, 14 years ago and in his last 3 managerial appointments he was sacked after a year!

he is also not in the best of health at the moment

It just goes to show these people are ignorant / thick or both.
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Old 30-06-2016, 21:57
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Vicente del Bosque is leaving his job managing Spain. He's had rather a stellar record at international level.

Hoddle has been out of the game far too long.
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