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Next England Manager?
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TheTrader78
30-06-2016
I'm happy with it being Hoddle....for me it's unfinished business (or to at least have him part of the set up) Ian Wright of course is a big advocate of the Gaffer.

Leave Poch out of this, he's staying at the Lane.....for at least one more season.
FMKK
30-06-2016
I honestly can't understand this big clamour for Hoddle.
codeblue
30-06-2016
Originally Posted by MichPlat:
“Well that's a bullet dodged as they say ... My vote still goes to Hoddle but I'd be happy enough to get Pochettino or Klinsman as well .”

what could hoddle possibly bring to england?
JasonWatkins
30-06-2016
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“I honestly can't understand this big clamour for Hoddle.”

Me neither.
Deep Purple
30-06-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“what could hoddle possibly bring to england?”

Well you, and many others slag England off at every chance, so why not? He does actually know a great deal about football, and just because he hasn't managed lately doesn't mean he's been living on an island, and doesn't understand what's going on.

We have 1000s of people across the country saying what should and shouldn't happen, and who is good, and who is useless. I'd take Hoddle over all of them, and all of us.

People not liking him doesn't mean he doesn't know what he;s doing. To suggest otherwise is stupid.
FMKK
30-06-2016
Hoddle being a better choice than posters on here isn't the ringing endorsement you think it is.
codeblue
30-06-2016
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“Vicente del Bosque is leaving his job managing Spain. He's had rather a stellar record at international level.

Hoddle has been out of the game far too long.”

he wasnt exactly pulling up trees when he was in the managerial game.

he is also still toxic after the comments he made about disabled people, the press will not forget about them - still utterly abhorrant in 2016, and would now be classed as a hate crime.

he also of course employed Eileen Drewery as a faith healer. Just imagine that. Abandoning science based medicine in favour of abject quackery.

There is also questions about him and his dr, Rougier, giving players rather odd injections before games.

Anyway, here is a quote from gary neville:

"One of the masseurs told me Glenn had asked the staff to walk around the pitch anti-clockwise during the game against Argentina to create positive energy. Sadly, it didn't do us much good."

Hoddle should not be on our screens as a pundit, nevermind taking over as england manager.
codeblue
30-06-2016
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“Well you, and many others slag England off at every chance, so why not? He does actually know a great deal about football, and just because he hasn't managed lately doesn't mean he's been living on an island, and doesn't understand what's going on.

We have 1000s of people across the country saying what should and shouldn't happen, and who is good, and who is useless. I'd take Hoddle over all of them, and all of us.

People not liking him doesn't mean he doesn't know what he;s doing. To suggest otherwise is stupid.”

I was very critical of roy before the world cup, where i was proved corrrect and again before the latest tournament, where i was proved corrrect again.

Being critical of hodgson and his selections and tactics was the correct thing to do. I told everyone he didnt have a clue what he was doing, and now every one can see it.

Hoddle was awful, a terrible man manager and toxic, this is aside from him attending the noel edmonds school of medicine. Some things he tried when in charge are David Icke levels of madness.
computermaster
30-06-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“what could hoddle possibly bring to england?”

I agree. If he couldn't do anything with prime Beckham, prime Owen, prime Scholes, Shearer, etc then what's he going to do with this team? He should never be the manager imo. Probably just nostalgia for a lot of people.
celesti
30-06-2016
I have fond memories of France 98, but I don't think something 18 years ago is the best basis for a decision today. Never go back.
owen10
30-06-2016
Originally Posted by computermaster:
“I agree. If he couldn't do anything with prime Beckham, prime Owen, prime Scholes, Shearer, etc then what's he going to do with this team? He should never be the manager imo. Probably just nostalgia for a lot of people.”

You have to say he did get the best out of Beckham and Owen whlch were at the time were two of our best young players

Also against Argentina in the World Cup we were the better team and if Beckham did not get sent off, we would have won the game and then probably beat the Dutch in the quarters
celesti
30-06-2016
That's quite a lot of presumption to be honest.
alfamale
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“I honestly can't understand this big clamour for Hoddle.”

Nor me.

Not only has his time passed, being out of football management for so long, but there's seems to be a complete rewriting of history because when Hoddle used to manage he was rightly labelled as having great technical knowledge but no man-management abilities.

He used to be one of those managers in the post-match tv interview saying "We" when talking about his players after a win but "They" after a loss. Sheringham and Sherwood were two of a number of senior players who couldnt stick him at Spurs.
http://sabotagetimes.com/sport/how-h...-dressing-room
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/240...-Sherwood.html

Gary Neville didnt say too much about his man management but mention his bizarre rituals and beliefs in this extract of his book
https://www.theguardian.com/football...d-glenn-hoddle

And there was something about telling Beckham he wasn't good enough a player to be trying a certain free-kick. This is the best google gave me when trying to find this vague memory, not a glowing report of hoddle the manager:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sport/football/162148.stm

With the money the FA are prepared to pay its laughable Hoddle is even being linked with this job. This isnt a championship club mid-table job........ and hoddle certainly can't find work any higher than that level for good reason presumably.
MichPlat
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“Vicente del Bosque is leaving his job managing Spain. He's had rather a stellar record at international level.

Hoddle has been out of the game far too long.”

Listening to him the other night during the Iceland debacle , Hoddle certainly sounded as though he knew what he was talking about . About 15 well respected ex pro players have put his name forward , Frank Lampard only this morning apparently ,
MichPlat
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“he wasnt exactly pulling up trees when he was in the managerial game.

he is also still toxic after the comments he made about disabled people, the press will not forget about them - still utterly abhorrant in 2016, and would now be classed as a hate crime.

he also of course employed Eileen Drewery as a faith healer. Just imagine that. Abandoning science based medicine in favour of abject quackery.

There is also questions about him and his dr, Rougier, giving players rather odd injections before games.

Anyway, here is a quote from gary neville:

"One of the masseurs told me Glenn had asked the staff to walk around the pitch anti-clockwise during the game against Argentina to create positive energy. Sadly, it didn't do us much good."

Hoddle should not be on our screens as a pundit, nevermind taking over as england manager.”

Wasn't that about 15 years ago or something ??

Times change , people also change and evolve . He's never put a foot out of place , since that unfortunate comment .

Regarding Gary Neville , in that piece , didn't he criticise more or less everyone he's ever worked with ? As it turns out he's not quite as clever as he thought .
MichPlat
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by alfamale:
“Nor me.

Not only has his time passed, being out of football management for so long, but there's seems to be a complete rewriting of history because when Hoddle used to manage he was rightly labelled as having great technical knowledge but no man-management abilities.

He used to be one of those managers in the post-match tv interview saying "We" when talking about his players after a win but "They" after a loss. Sheringham and Sherwood were two of a number of senior players who couldnt stick him at Spurs.
http://sabotagetimes.com/sport/how-h...-dressing-room
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/240...-Sherwood.html

Gary Neville didnt say too much about his man management but mention his bizarre rituals and beliefs in this extract of his book
https://www.theguardian.com/football...d-glenn-hoddle

And there was something about telling Beckham he wasn't good enough a player to be trying a certain free-kick. This is the best google gave me when trying to find this vague memory, not a glowing report of hoddle the manager:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sport/football/162148.stm

With the money the FA are prepared to pay its laughable Hoddle is even being linked with this job. This isnt a championship club mid-table job........ and hoddle certainly can't find work any higher than that level for good reason presumably.”

The story I heard about the Beckham incident was that Hoddle wanted Beckham to take a free kick a certain way and when Hoddle was able to demonstrate repeatedly what he wanted .... Beckham was unable to replicate what Hoddle was showing him .

Maybe it was simply a clash of egos .
dodrade
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“I honestly can't understand this big clamour for Hoddle.”

If he is as good as his supporters say then why hasn't he had a job in ten years?
codeblue
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by MichPlat:
“Wasn't that about 15 years ago or something ??

Times change , people also change and evolve . He's never put a foot out of place , since that unfortunate comment .

Regarding Gary Neville , in that piece , didn't he criticise more or less everyone he's ever worked with ? As it turns out he's not quite as clever as he thought .”

He said those comments 15 years ago yes, but whilst he was the manager of england.

People do change, but i dont think his religious beliefs have actually changed. He still 100% believes that disabled people are paying for, in this life, their errors in past lives.

Parphrasing, we should have no sympathy for disabled peole ad they were bad people in a past life, and god is punishing them! Its disgusting. How can you have this man as the head of England FC?

You should not have hoddle on tv, just like you cannot have "big ron" for his racist on mike comments.

The former players supporting him (hoddle) as as thick as a brick - see michael owens commenys confusing faith healing psychics with psychologists!

Since being rightly sacked by the FA, Hoddle did absolutely nothing in football, getting sacked from Wolves over 10 years ago. There are reasons why he has been away from the game for so long.

Im listening to pundits now calling for a "harry and glenn dream team!" Did they not remember the absolute disaster with QPR?

It is quite unbelievable.

Now they are talking about a collective, with Harry on press, hoddle on coaching, shearer on striking, lampard on midfield and adams on defence.

I have rarely heard such utter garbage.

Whats so difficult about drawing up a list of the best managers. Pep, Klopp, Jose, Wenger, Conte etc and going down that list until someone says yes.

Realistically, how long must that list be until you get to "hoddle"? i would suggest thousands.
Meols
01-07-2016
Look at the players in the above post who criticise Hoddle in various ways. Sherwood, sacked by Villa when bottom of the league. Sheringham, sacked by Stevenage when he risked leading them out of the Football League, Neville, couldn't put a foot right in all honesty at Valencia and now associated with the latest debacle. And Beckham has managed nobody.

So pretty desperate criticism there.

If the reasons for not appointing him go back nearly 20 years so do the negatives that go back that far. He lost the job based on non footballing matters. He's the man most likely in my view to balance propping us up results wise and getting us playing solid and confident football. Being out of football for a while must obviously weigh against him but the criticisms of that era also have to be wiped too in that case and he would offer a clean slate.

He might fail but so could anyone, lets be honest, how much worse can it get, and what guarantee does any alternative bring of being better apart obviously from their current involvement in the game?
Stilton Cheesew
01-07-2016
Hoddle is an intelligent footballing man and I can see the pro's of having him involved. I wouldn't even say that the passage of time should be a huge barrier either nor should failings at club level because its a different type of job.

I do however think his man management skills are lacking because like it or not he did seem to rub a lot of players up the wrong way and that's an issue for me. I wonder if I will be different when he is coaching players who didn't grow up watching him on TV and aren't aware of what a great player he was?

As for the religion thing? I'm not sure. I fully believe he has the right to hold the beliefs he chooses and I mean that. He isn't directly harming anyone with them. On the other hand Im not sure how he could credibly be involved in any Charity work or meeting disabled kids or whatever as England coach when the world knows his views - or knows the tabloid version of them at least.
Stilton Cheesew
01-07-2016
forum broken.
Meols
01-07-2016
Being out of the game puts you behind those who are active in it as far as I am concerned. Its not a couple of seasons, its a hell of a long time.

It is a big negative against Hoddle whether you like it or not and I say that as someone who would like him in charge.
codeblue
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“As for the religion thing? I'm not sure. I fully believe he has the right to hold the beliefs he chooses and I mean that. He isn't directly harming anyone with them. On the other hand Im not sure how he could credibly be involved in any Charity work or meeting disabled kids or whatever as England coach when the world knows his views - or knows the tabloid version of them at least.”

You can believe what you wish, but to express them can be a hate crime.

When he states, in a position of influence, that disabled people are being punished by god because they were bad in a past life - that is extremely harmful. Harmful, horrable, and disgraceful.

He also used his beliefs to bring in faith healing, crazy superstitions and shall we say very questinable non-science based medicine and injecting it in players.

Nothing has changed with him. Have we heard him "front up" joe hart style and say these things were wrong? No.

IF we ignore these (and there is no way we can) he has been long since left behind by football. When you actually listen to his commentry and punditry, it is full of factual errors, questionable tactics and poor ideas. I honestly do not know what people are thinking when they call him insightful. Its like we are listening to two different people.
Stilton Cheesew
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Meols:
“Being out of the game puts you behind those who are active in it as far as I am concerned. Its not a couple of seasons, its a hell of a long time.

It is a big negative against Hoddle whether you like it or not and I say that as someone who would like him in charge.”

I'm simply saying that for me it wouldn't be a huge barrier because of the nature of the job. Obviously if he is going up against a candidate who is currently active and successful then it could be an issue but if you are putting him up against some of the other candidates mentioned who don't have huge experience then the fact that his experience is dated wouldn't upset me.

That said giving it to someone without huge experience wouldn't upset me either if their footballing experience was such that it made up for it. A former international with tournament experience, who can handle the media and would have the respect of the players for his own on-field achievements would work for me with the right coaching set up behind him.
celesti
01-07-2016
For all he's said and done, Diamond Lights is still the most insane.
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