Delia Smith, the FA muppet did say the best man or woman for the job.
'Let's be avin you ' would inspire any England team on to victory.
'Let's be avin you ' would inspire any England team on to victory.
Next England Manager?
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Originally Posted by celesti:
“For all he's said and done, Diamond Lights is still the most insane.”
“For all he's said and done, Diamond Lights is still the most insane.”
Good stuff Celesti
Would Hoddle really want to subject himself to the sort of media coverage he can expect, with all his past negative publicity being recycled, as surely it would be?
There must be a way of using his knowledge and insight - which I do not doubt he possesses - more productively in the England set-up, but without making him a target, as he would be if he were given the top job. Given Hoddle's past, real and imagined, I think making him England manager would be like drawing a bullseye on his forehead.
There must be a way of using his knowledge and insight - which I do not doubt he possesses - more productively in the England set-up, but without making him a target, as he would be if he were given the top job. Given Hoddle's past, real and imagined, I think making him England manager would be like drawing a bullseye on his forehead.
The media won't allow anything related to England to thrive at all, it's all hatchet jobs at every turn no matter how productive.
Originally Posted by MichPlat:
“Listening to him the other night during the Iceland debacle , Hoddle certainly sounded as though he knew what he was talking about . About 15 well respected ex pro players have put his name forward , Frank Lampard only this morning apparently ,”
“Listening to him the other night during the Iceland debacle , Hoddle certainly sounded as though he knew what he was talking about . About 15 well respected ex pro players have put his name forward , Frank Lampard only this morning apparently ,”
The trouble with ex players is they talk from their heart but dont use common sense when it comes to actually ability.
What they think shouldnt matter or influence the FA when they come to choosing a new manager, it should be purely based on a proven track record at a top level of management.
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“You can believe what you wish, but to express them can be a hate crime.
When he states, in a position of influence, that disabled people are being punished by god because they were bad in a past life - that is extremely harmful. Harmful, horrable, and disgraceful.
He also used his beliefs to bring in faith healing, crazy superstitions and shall we say very questinable non-science based medicine and injecting it in players.
Nothing has changed with him. Have we heard him "front up" joe hart style and say these things were wrong? No.
IF we ignore these (and there is no way we can) he has been long since left behind by football. When you actually listen to his commentry and punditry, it is full of factual errors, questionable tactics and poor ideas. I honestly do not know what people are thinking when they call him insightful. Its like we are listening to two different people.”
“You can believe what you wish, but to express them can be a hate crime.
When he states, in a position of influence, that disabled people are being punished by god because they were bad in a past life - that is extremely harmful. Harmful, horrable, and disgraceful.
He also used his beliefs to bring in faith healing, crazy superstitions and shall we say very questinable non-science based medicine and injecting it in players.
Nothing has changed with him. Have we heard him "front up" joe hart style and say these things were wrong? No.
IF we ignore these (and there is no way we can) he has been long since left behind by football. When you actually listen to his commentry and punditry, it is full of factual errors, questionable tactics and poor ideas. I honestly do not know what people are thinking when they call him insightful. Its like we are listening to two different people.”
Do you also believe its a hate crime for millions and millions of christians and catholics (along with other religions) to oppose homosexuality. Technically if you believe in the bible then you are against it. So exactly where do religous beliefs statt and stop in relation to someone getting thr England job ?
Originally Posted by dodrade:
“If he is as good as his supporters say then why hasn't he had a job in ten years?”
“If he is as good as his supporters say then why hasn't he had a job in ten years?”
He's had jobs that he has chosen.
Originally Posted by NiteOwl12:
“Would Hoddle really want to subject himself to the sort of media coverage he can expect, with all his past negative publicity being recycled, as surely it would be?
There must be a way of using his knowledge and insight - which I do not doubt he possesses - more productively in the England set-up, but without making him a target, as he would be if he were given the top job. Given Hoddle's past, real and imagined, I think making him England manager would be like drawing a bullseye on his forehead.”
“Would Hoddle really want to subject himself to the sort of media coverage he can expect, with all his past negative publicity being recycled, as surely it would be?
There must be a way of using his knowledge and insight - which I do not doubt he possesses - more productively in the England set-up, but without making him a target, as he would be if he were given the top job. Given Hoddle's past, real and imagined, I think making him England manager would be like drawing a bullseye on his forehead.”
That is a valid point, but whoever gets the job accepts the target, because that is the level of our media, and so called fans.
If we dont win all the time, the manager is rubbish, and so is the team.
It seems impossible to support the team the way we support our clubs, where you put up with the ups and downs of the level you're at. We're not at the top level, and expecting that all the time just adds to the pressure we saw the other night, when the players couldn't handle it.
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“That is a valid point, but whoever gets the job accepts the target, because that is the level of our media, and so called fans.
If we dont win all the time, the manager is rubbish, and so is the team.
It seems impossible to support the team the way we support our clubs, where you put up with the ups and downs of the level you're at. We're not at the top level, and expecting that all the time just adds to the pressure we saw the other night, when the players couldn't handle it.”
“That is a valid point, but whoever gets the job accepts the target, because that is the level of our media, and so called fans.
If we dont win all the time, the manager is rubbish, and so is the team.
It seems impossible to support the team the way we support our clubs, where you put up with the ups and downs of the level you're at. We're not at the top level, and expecting that all the time just adds to the pressure we saw the other night, when the players couldn't handle it.”
No one is expecting England to succeed or win anything. That ship has sailed 20 years ago. Expectations are so low even the FA said a quarter final place will be considered a great achievement.
But it really is not too much to ask for a team full of decent Premeir League players to beat a team of semi-professionals who play their football indoors in nearly arctic conditions. That's not putting too much pressure on anyone or asking too much. It really isn't.
This man would do for me, I couldn't help but give my full support to the team!!
https://twitter.com/ThomasSporsheim/...658029568?s=09
https://twitter.com/ThomasSporsheim/...658029568?s=09
How disconcerting that this is now the "Hoddle for England" thread, As if there are no other top quality current managers who could do the job instead.
I stuck up a number of links from so many ex-players who he'd rubbed up the wrong way, and there's loads more where they came from, yet every single one is explained away, my favourite being look how everyone who's ever criticised him went on to fail as a manager. So every single player criticism is unjustified. Ok.
And someone who hasnt managed for over 10 years in the top flight. Even Hoddle's last proper job should have been playing purely to his strengths, at QPR where his job was to do the coaching and tactics and let Harry do the man management. That turned out well.
If we pretend there are absolutely no other candidates on the planet and we've got a choice of Hoddle, Southgate or Allardyce then i too could brush over Hoddle's inadequacies and choose him. Then cross my fingers that he has kept up with the modern game and his 3-5-2 ten years old (or 10 years out of date?) tactics have modernised. But not when there are so many other far better choices available
I stuck up a number of links from so many ex-players who he'd rubbed up the wrong way, and there's loads more where they came from, yet every single one is explained away, my favourite being look how everyone who's ever criticised him went on to fail as a manager. So every single player criticism is unjustified. Ok.
And someone who hasnt managed for over 10 years in the top flight. Even Hoddle's last proper job should have been playing purely to his strengths, at QPR where his job was to do the coaching and tactics and let Harry do the man management. That turned out well.
If we pretend there are absolutely no other candidates on the planet and we've got a choice of Hoddle, Southgate or Allardyce then i too could brush over Hoddle's inadequacies and choose him. Then cross my fingers that he has kept up with the modern game and his 3-5-2 ten years old (or 10 years out of date?) tactics have modernised. But not when there are so many other far better choices available
Originally Posted by alfamale:
“How disconcerting that this is now the "Hoddle for England" thread, As if there are no other top quality current managers who could do the job instead.
I stuck up a number of links from so many ex-players who he'd rubbed up the wrong way, and there's loads more where they came from, yet every single one is explained away, my favourite being look how everyone who's ever criticised him went on to fail as a manager. So every single player criticism is unjustified. Ok.
And someone who hasnt managed for over 10 years in the top flight. Even Hoddle's last proper job should have been playing purely to his strengths, at QPR where his job was to do the coaching and tactics and let Harry do the man management. That turned out well.
If we pretend there are absolutely no other candidates on the planet and we've got a choice of Hoddle, Southgate or Allardyce then i too could brush over Hoddle's inadequacies and choose him. Then cross my fingers that he has kept up with the modern game and his 3-5-2 ten years old (or 10 years out of date?) tactics have modernised. But not when there are so many other far better choices available”
“How disconcerting that this is now the "Hoddle for England" thread, As if there are no other top quality current managers who could do the job instead.
I stuck up a number of links from so many ex-players who he'd rubbed up the wrong way, and there's loads more where they came from, yet every single one is explained away, my favourite being look how everyone who's ever criticised him went on to fail as a manager. So every single player criticism is unjustified. Ok.
And someone who hasnt managed for over 10 years in the top flight. Even Hoddle's last proper job should have been playing purely to his strengths, at QPR where his job was to do the coaching and tactics and let Harry do the man management. That turned out well.
If we pretend there are absolutely no other candidates on the planet and we've got a choice of Hoddle, Southgate or Allardyce then i too could brush over Hoddle's inadequacies and choose him. Then cross my fingers that he has kept up with the modern game and his 3-5-2 ten years old (or 10 years out of date?) tactics have modernised. But not when there are so many other far better choices available”
Who are the "other far better choices"?
You will never get a top manager who cares about his reputation to take the England job in the state the team is now. Neither Ancelotti, nor Mourinho, nor Pep, nor anyone of their stature would ever agree to take this job. I doubt Wenger or Bilic would leave their amazing club jobs to be embarrassed at the 2018 WC when England fail to beat Antarctica or a similar team. I can't see that many amazing options.
At least when Hoddle was in charge, England played some watchable football. I still think he should have taken Gazza to the 1998 WC, but hey ho...
And the game hasn't changed since 1970.
Originally Posted by Meols:
“Do you have to bring Italian and German players and managers into every single post you make?”
“Do you have to bring Italian and German players and managers into every single post you make?”
Which German manager did I mention in the above post?I thought I was being quite diplomatic and multicultural. Yes, there was one Italian manager, but the rest were Spanish, Portuguese, Croatian, French ...and English
I wasn't talking about just the above post. I've seen you mention Louw elsewhere, Conte, Totti, Schweinsteiger, etc.
Its as if you are on a commission to crowbar them in regardless of relevance.
Its as if you are on a commission to crowbar them in regardless of relevance.
Originally Posted by Meols:
“I wasn't talking about just the above post. I've seen you mention Louw elsewhere, Conte, Totti, Schweinsteiger, etc.
Its as if you are on a commission to crowbar them in regardless of relevance.”
“I wasn't talking about just the above post. I've seen you mention Louw elsewhere, Conte, Totti, Schweinsteiger, etc.
Its as if you are on a commission to crowbar them in regardless of relevance.”
Ok then...
You seem to have a bit of a fixation on me, but I'm more flattered than alarmed
Anyway... who are these other better options than Hoddle?
I can't see any good English manager in the Premier League (or out of it) and if Hiddink or Blanc are the alternative, I don't see why Hoddle shouldn't be given another chance.
Shearer has spoken a lot of sense on Monday, so maybe he should get a shot, but the FA are clearly not in favour of that. I don't see any alternatives.
I can't see any good English manager in the Premier League (or out of it) and if Hiddink or Blanc are the alternative, I don't see why Hoddle shouldn't be given another chance.
Shearer has spoken a lot of sense on Monday, so maybe he should get a shot, but the FA are clearly not in favour of that. I don't see any alternatives.
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“Anyway... who are these other better options than Hoddle?
I can't see any good English manager in the Premier League (or out of it) and if Hiddink or Blanc are the alternative, I don't see why Hoddle shouldn't be given another chance.
Shearer has spoken a lot of sense on Monday, so maybe he should get a shot, but the FA are clearly not in favour of that. I don't see any alternatives.”
“Anyway... who are these other better options than Hoddle?
I can't see any good English manager in the Premier League (or out of it) and if Hiddink or Blanc are the alternative, I don't see why Hoddle shouldn't be given another chance.
Shearer has spoken a lot of sense on Monday, so maybe he should get a shot, but the FA are clearly not in favour of that. I don't see any alternatives.”
Hiddink and Blanc have been managing clubs this year - hoddle is over 10 years out of date - where he was sacked by wolves for being useless.
They are far far better options than hoddle. I honestly do not know where the love comes for this man.
Shearer? My goodness. He thinkns all you need is "passion", and yet in his one chance he took newcastle into the championship.
Shearer deserves absolutely nothing. It is quite perplexing.
It should be a pre-requisite that the next england manager has been successful, and has been a manager in the last 10 years. Its not too much to ask.
Originally Posted by celesti:
“The media won't allow anything related to England to thrive at all, it's all hatchet jobs at every turn no matter how productive.”
“The media won't allow anything related to England to thrive at all, it's all hatchet jobs at every turn no matter how productive.”
I think they are just hysterical and react in a knee-jerk fashion. Win a friendly against Germany or Argentina or Brazil and they start talking about possibly winning tournaments and focus on that. Lose to a team twenty-odd in the world rankings and it's the worst result ever. If a young player goes on a dribble twice on his debut he's the next English superstar. If an older player plays badly then he must surely never be near the team again (prejudging future form).
A little stoicism and rationality would go a long way. They need to get it through their thick heads that it doesn't matter how much their players get paid, how good their domestic league is, or how much money they throw at things or how good they tell themselves they are. What matters is playing better than the opposition on the night and being gracious winners or losers and actually supporting and trying to form a team ethos. They should try a little respect. As far as commentary goes, tournaments improve tenfold when England exit tournaments because they stop relating every incident in every game back to England and fixating on possible success. I say that as someone who isn't English but wants them to do well in tournaments. Their collective hysteria sets themselves up for a fall every time.
I do think they honestly want their country to do well but, being tabloid journalists, every event must be over-emphasised because outrage sells. The most rotten thing in this country is the press - and politics and sport are the areas of most ridicule.
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“Hiddink and Blanc have been managing clubs this year - hoddle is over 10 years out of date - where he was sacked by wolves for being useless.
They are far far better options than hoddle. I honestly do not know where the love comes for this man.
Shearer? My goodness. He thinkns all you need is "passion", and yet in his one chance he took newcastle into the championship.
Shearer deserves absolutely nothing. It is quite perplexing.
It should be a pre-requisite that the next england manager has been successful, and has been a manager in the last 10 years. Its not too much to ask.”
“Hiddink and Blanc have been managing clubs this year - hoddle is over 10 years out of date - where he was sacked by wolves for being useless.
They are far far better options than hoddle. I honestly do not know where the love comes for this man.
Shearer? My goodness. He thinkns all you need is "passion", and yet in his one chance he took newcastle into the championship.
Shearer deserves absolutely nothing. It is quite perplexing.
It should be a pre-requisite that the next england manager has been successful, and has been a manager in the last 10 years. Its not too much to ask.”
But Blanc and Hiddink are going to be just throwing good money after bad. They aren't managers who can change the England team and get it to start playing decent again.
At least when Hoddle was manager, England played some good-looking football.
As for Shearer... I don't have any strong feelings either way, but he was an intelligent player and I have grown to like his punditry. He sounds very sensible.
Originally Posted by steveOooo:
“Eddie Howe and Juergen klinsmann”
“Eddie Howe and Juergen klinsmann”
Klinsmann is not a manager, he's a "motivator" and fitness-fanatic. He was found out very quickly at Bayern
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“Ok then...
You seem to have a bit of a fixation on me, but I'm more flattered than alarmed”
“Ok then...
You seem to have a bit of a fixation on me, but I'm more flattered than alarmed
”
Its what you are posting, not you. I can only assume you keep doing it as some sort of wind up.
I agree about Shearer as a pundit, he used to be just the classic 'he's got on the end of that, he's scored now, he'll be happy about that' where he's more narrating for the blind than anything. He's got a bit more cynical and critical now which suits him, although he has to be wary of going too far that way. Full Lawrenson, they call it.
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“Who are the "other far better choices"?
At least when Hoddle was in charge, England played some watchable football. I still think he should have taken Gazza to the 1998 WC, but hey ho...
And the game hasn't changed since 1970.”
“Who are the "other far better choices"?
At least when Hoddle was in charge, England played some watchable football. I still think he should have taken Gazza to the 1998 WC, but hey ho...
And the game hasn't changed since 1970.”
Im not going to list the 20 or 30 better choices, you'll only rip them all to bits one by one whilst suggesting something absurd like shearer would be good.
Take Hiddink, I wonder why Chelsea thought him a better bet than Hoddle? Or Everton preferred Koeman. Even Spurs took the rather lame Sherwood ahead of Hoddle when Hoddle made it very clear he wanted the Spurs job after AVB was sacked.
............ and the game hasn't changed since 1970? It changes so fast its not even the same as 2010. Look at low percentage possession Leicester winning the Prem in comparison to the possession based tikka-takka of 4-5 years ago. And the huge failure by Dalglish (and damian comolli) in buying Andy Carroll and the two most prolific crossers of a ball from the season before in Downing and Henderson to supply him. 2 goals from 800 crosses later and dalglish gets the boot. Didnt Moyes at ManU oversee a game against Fulham where they had 88 (hopeful) crosses. And the less said about LVG and his previously successful football philosophy going down so well at ManU the better.
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