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How can people defend this complete ridiculous shite these players who all play in the Premier League put out there?! I just don't get it. Ok, the media is bad, but the poor fans who are used to over 50 years of failure don't expect much at all. They just wanted this team of professional footballers to at least give a bunch of semi-amateurs or part-timers a good game and at least try! That's not too much to ask. I don't see how it's the fans' fault or everyone else's fault except those players (and the non-existent manager) who were so fricking bad that Iceland just walked all over them and they didn't even look like they could ever score a single goal from open play.
Honestly, Russia and England are the two teams that stood out for playing the worst football in this tournament. |
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Some unusual use of words there. Wrong account?
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Saying England payed the worst football is outlandish when Northern Ireland and Sweden exist.
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I suppose he can speak a bit of English
I dont think it will be that hard for him to learn Did Roy Hodgson speak decent English because most of the time i could not understand a word he said. No wonder he was shit at his job Quote:
So you think the way he speaks bothers me
Well it dont, because I dont even notice it when he talks But it seems that some people on here do notice that he has problems when he speaks Did i actually say that he has speech problems No, you assumed that is what i meant Because i dont see you having a go at people who call him Woy, which i think it is wrong And i have never called him that or anything like that since i have commenting on these forums Also i have never insulted anyone on this forum or anyone else that has been talked about on this thread All i care about is how good a manager he was And he was not a good manager |
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Saying England payed the worst football is outlandish when Northern Ireland and Sweden exist.
So for me Russia, England and Sweden were the most awful teams of the tournament. |
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If you meant Roy Hodgson talks crap then maybe that's what you should have said. Quote:
Did Roy Hodgson speak decent English because most of the time i could not understand a word he said. No wonder he was shit at his job
If you say you could not understand a word he says, then it's only natural that people will assume you mean you could not understand a word he said. They're only going by what you said. Only you could know you meant something different to the words you used.
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The issue isn't the manager, it goes far deeper than that. Last night, joking aside, good players went to pieces. Experienced top level footballers some are young and fearless, some are older and experienced all went into full scale panic mode in the knockout stages of a tournament again.
England have tried ever type of manager in the last 20 years with no noticeable difference. Hoddle the cultured ex player, Sven the high profile foreigner, McClaren the respected coach, Capello the experienced disciplinarian, etc etc etc - it made little difference to the end result. Every time there is an undignified exit its easy to blame the manager or the players as being the short term problem but taking a broader view this has been ongoing for decades. At what point do people start to dig deep and wonder what's really going on ![]() The England NT has seen different managers in the last 2 decades and yet the results are still more or the same
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Very well stated and I concur. I really don't understand why people keep blaming these managers
At what point do people start to dig deep and wonder what's really going on ![]() The England NT has seen different managers in the last 2 decades and yet the results are still more or the same ![]() Under Hoddle England played some great football. They were a team with a lot of confidence and spirit who played like they were prepared to lay their lives on the pitch for a win. They were with 10 men in 1998 and eventually lost on penalties, but what a team they were to watch! I wasn't even living in England back then and had no affiliation to England whatsoever and I still remember that team and how they played. I used to love watching England games because even though they often lost, they were so exciting and always gave everyone a good game. Under Sven England were still good to watch. They had a system and a clear idea. Seaman was a rubbish goal keeper in my view and they were unlucky, but they played well. Big mistake to get rid of Sven! McClaren, on the other hand, is and always has been a terrible coach, so naturally with him England fell apart and failed to qualify for Europe (that was McClaren, right?) etc etc Capello is not a good manager either! He goes around the world coaching teams for big money and they all look equally horrendous. His "tactics" (destruction of everything good in football) were completely unsuitable for England. Now with Hodgson the results kept getting worse and worse! England kept sinking to ever new (unexpected) lows and instead of the "glory days" of the heartbreaking, fought to the death, unlucky quarter-final exists you get some completely unwatchable painful 90 minutes of (so called) football with ever more embarrassing results. That's not having the same results! That's getting progressively worse every tournament |
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Very well stated and I concur. I really don't understand why people keep blaming these managers
At what point do people start to dig deep and wonder what's really going on ![]() The England NT has seen different managers in the last 2 decades and yet the results are still more or the same ![]() Germany had a similar bad situation at Euro 2000, did they bitch and moan, no, they changed the system, and eventually won the World Cup. There is a pattern forming here, yet our FA are stubborn and set in their ways, and hence why we will continue to fail. |
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I read a really interesting suggestion by an ex-england player in todays newspaper (possibly Rio Ferdinand)
Marcelo Bielsa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcelo_Bielsa He was manager of Chile national team in the period they started to get rather good, 2007-2011. But what stood out for me was the reasoning, he is a bold manager who comes to each new job with a very strong tactical attacking plan. Our last 2 foreign managers were ridiculously safe both tactically and with selection, experienced pros in almost every position in a 4-4-2 system. Pep names Bielsa as one of his 3 managerial influences: http://www.squawka.com/news/manchest...-cruyff/714352 |
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The FA love safe, and especially people that they can control, and can plan what they are going to say at any one time, people like Bielsa would go against all of that, hence why as good an option as he might very well be (I am not too sure about his English though), he would be off of any list that they will draw up.
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France didn't overhaul any system in the space of 4 years as a reaction to missing 1994, that'd be a miracle and would require some of their world cup squad to have been under four years old. They had laid down their plans in the 70s.
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The result is not the same though!
Under Hoddle England played some great football. They were a team with a lot of confidence and spirit who played like they were prepared to lay their lives on the pitch for a win. They were with 10 men in 1998 and eventually lost on penalties, but what a team they were to watch! I wasn't even living in England back then and had no affiliation to England whatsoever and I still remember that team and how they played. I used to love watching England games because even though they often lost, they were so exciting and always gave everyone a good game. Under Sven England were still good to watch. They had a system and a clear idea. Seaman was a rubbish goal keeper in my view and they were unlucky, but they played well. Big mistake to get rid of Sven! McClaren, on the other hand, is and always has been a terrible coach, so naturally with him England fell apart and failed to qualify for Europe (that was McClaren, right?) etc etc Capello is not a good manager either! He goes around the world coaching teams for big money and they all look equally horrendous. His "tactics" (destruction of everything good in football) were completely unsuitable for England. Now with Hodgson the results kept getting worse and worse! England kept sinking to ever new (unexpected) lows and instead of the "glory days" of the heartbreaking, fought to the death, unlucky quarter-final exists you get some completely unwatchable painful 90 minutes of (so called) football with ever more embarrassing results. That's not having the same results! That's getting progressively worse every tournament |
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Not really any truth in that. Should probably stick to Germany and Italy tbh or whatever country it is youre supporting just now.
...and ok, as long as English fans and the FA think managers are unimportant they will continue their decades of hurt. The first thing Germany did to overhaul their system was to get good managers into their academies. |
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It's Italy... It's always Italy!
...and ok, as long as English fans and the FA think managers are unimportant they will continue their decades of hurt. The first thing Germany did to overhaul their system was to get good managers into their academies. Robson got terrible abuse at Euro 88 and the beginning of Italy 90 Venables was accused of having a poor system, he ignored other strikers in favour of Shearer who hadn't scored for two years and people suggested that he wasn't that good because he only had to worry about friendlies as England were hosts in 96. Hoddle want universally loved and people complained about the style of play. People keen talking about the tactical masterclass in Italy getting the 0-0 but that wasn't all a bed of roses. Eriksson had the most talented group of Englishmen in my lifetime to work with yet the manager and players got horrible horrible abuse. I could go on. Each time the manager and players are rounded on and blames rather than supported. English fans claim they "deserve better" whilst at the same time putting the boot in. World class players are dismissed as prima donnas who dont care. Who can almost play bingo with the publics reaction "Overpaid", "Over rated", "Soldiers are the real heroes", "Pick Championship players, the have passion" etc etc etc. England issues go way deeper than the guy in the dug out - he will be hated anyway as soon as things go wrong, its a given. Lets mock a speech impediment in the headlines, he's fair game eh? |
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The Times reckon that Hiddink's up for it.
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The Times reckon that Hiddink's up for it.
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But the public do support them, always. Just look at attendances and TV ratings.
All we get in return is failure. This group totally deserves the grief they are going to get at away grounds this season. |
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Neither Cat Stevens nor Muhammad Ali were representing anyone other than themselves though. It's not the beliefs themselves that are the issue its proclaiming them when in a position where you are marginalising some of those you represent.
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How can people defend this complete ridiculous shite these players who all play in the Premier League put out there?! I just don't get it. Ok, the media is bad, but the poor fans who are used to over 50 years of failure don't expect much at all. They just wanted this team of professional footballers to at least give a bunch of semi-amateurs or part-timers a good game and at least try! That's not too much to ask. I don't see how it's the fans' fault or everyone else's fault except those players (and the non-existent manager) who were so fricking bad that Iceland just walked all over them and they didn't even look like they could ever score a single goal from open play.
Honestly, Russia and England are the two teams that stood out for playing the worst football in this tournament. |
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Sir Geoff Hurst was on the radio today saying he would have Hoddle. That's a great many ex top players with that view. I suppose they are all clueless idiots though.
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Sir Geoff Hurst was on the radio today saying he would have Hoddle. That's a great many ex top players with that view. I suppose they are all clueless idiots though.
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To be honest, many of them are! I think it's partly that they don't really think about things before they answer a question that's posed. They say the first thing that is in their head
I wouldn't class Sir Geoff Hurst as a clueless idiot. |
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I really don't understand why a retired manager is so many people's choice. It almost feels like his previous England tenure was defined by the valiant defeat against Argentina, and forget the traditional must-win group game before it after losing to Romania or the rotten start to the Euro 2000 qualifying after. With Argentina and Italy away Hoddle provided more drama than the average England manager, but not a great deal else.
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I really don't understand why a retired manager is so many people's choice. It almost feels like his previous England tenure was defined by the valiant defeat against Argentina, and forget the traditional must-win group game before it after losing to Romania or the rotten start to the Euro 2000 qualifying after. With Argentina and Italy away Hoddle provided more drama than the average England manager, but not a great deal else.
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At what point do people start to dig deep and wonder what's really going on