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Old 04-07-2016, 10:07
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Sir Geoff Hurst was on the radio today saying he would have Hoddle. That's a great many ex top players with that view. I suppose they are all clueless idiots though.
Tactically I think Hoddle could work well with somebody but who would that be and would he want to?

Just keep off the media stuff I guess!

Everyone keeps suggesting anyone else - has anyone actually said they want the job apart from Sven who probably just wans the money!

The players hated somebody like Capello because he was too controlling whilst Hodgson let them have some free reign.

Well neither has worked very well...
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:07
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Lack of other options for me. Klinsmann would be my first choice if he was interested, but if we want an Englishman, who do we have?
I don't think we should restrict ourselves to Englishmen. Sam Allardyce is the only English candidate I would feel the least bit happy about, and his is a record that pales to any number of foreign alternatives. I'd snap Hiddink's hand off right now if he's actually interested, but then I was certain that Capello was our closest guarantee of improvement when he put his hat in the ring too.
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:18
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People's beliefs are their beliefs. Hoddle never had any hatred towards the people he was talking to, or showed any prejudice towards them.
Peoples beliefs are their beliefs until they publicly declare them, then they are judged on them.

Are you really saying that its acceptable for Hoddle to say that disabled people have brought it on themselves? If you were disabled how would you feel about having this man leading your nation? How could he visit disabled kids in hospital with any credibility?
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:24
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Peoples beliefs are their beliefs until they publicly declare them, then they are judged on them.

Are you really saying that its acceptable for Hoddle to say that disabled people have brought it on themselves? If you were disabled how would you feel about having this man leading your nation? How could he visit disabled kids in hospital with any credibility?

But he didnt say that.
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:27
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But he didnt say that.
"You and I have been physically given two hands and two legs and half-decent brains. Some people have not been born like that for a reason. The karma is working from another lifetime. I have nothing to hide about that. It is not only people with disabilities. What you sow, you have to reap."
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:29
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"You and I have been physically given two hands and two legs and half-decent brains. Some people have not been born like that for a reason. The karma is working from another lifetime. I have nothing to hide about that. It is not only people with disabilities. What you sow, you have to reap."
Many people believe in karma and previous lives. It's no reason to fire them all
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:33
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If they're in a public position and say things like that, it really is.
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:34
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I don't think we should restrict ourselves to Englishmen. Sam Allardyce is the only English candidate I would feel the least bit happy about, and his is a record that pales to any number of foreign alternatives. I'd snap Hiddink's hand off right now if he's actually interested, but then I was certain that Capello was our closest guarantee of improvement when he put his hat in the ring too.
People wanting Hiddink astound me. He failed to qualify for the euros with Holland even when the new format made it so easy. Finishing 4th to Czech, Iceland and Turkey. He was also given a suspended jail sentence for tax ivasion and yet people beat Harry with the "dodgy" stick all the time. He is past it.
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:36
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"You and I have been physically given two hands and two legs and half-decent brains. Some people have not been born like that for a reason. The karma is working from another lifetime. I have nothing to hide about that. It is not only people with disabilities. What you sow, you have to reap."
Thats what was written, yes. Hoddle says he never said those exact words. Ever heard of a journalist misquoting someone ?
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:38
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Fresh off steadying the ship at Chelsea, exactly what England could do with. For a manager I'd certainly take a chequered last decade over one spent in a TV studio.
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:40
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Thats what was written, yes. Hoddle says he never said those exact words. Ever heard of a journalist misquoting someone ?
If he was misquoted then he shouldn't have resigned and he should have taken legal action against the newspaper so that people like me can't go and find that same quote 17 years later being peddled as his exact words.

I can only go on what is reported and his reaction to that reporting.
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:42
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Many people believe in karma and previous lives. It's no reason to fire them all
I haven't said fire them all. You have a stunning ability to reply to things people haven't said.

Many people aren't a figurehead for an entire country some of whom are the same people you are suggesting have acted badly in past lives to be in the position they are currently in.
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Old 04-07-2016, 11:47
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Peoples beliefs are their beliefs until they publicly declare them, then they are judged on them.

Are you really saying that its acceptable for Hoddle to say that disabled people have brought it on themselves? If you were disabled how would you feel about having this man leading your nation? How could he visit disabled kids in hospital with any credibility?
He said at the time his remarks were misinterpreted, and he apologised for any offence caused. The national pastime of slaughtering whoever the England manager is, went into overdrive, and he had no choice but to get out.

He has worked closely with many disabled charities, and they dont seem to hold a grudge against him. Perhaps they should be asked about him.

It was a long time ago, and we should be prepared to move on if he gets the job. I think it would be a bad move for him to try and clarify anything, because quotes would be highlighted that would be used against him again, and the whole thing would start up again.
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Old 04-07-2016, 11:49
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If he was misquoted then he shouldn't have resigned and he should have taken legal action against the newspaper so that people like me can't go and find that same quote 17 years later being peddled as his exact words.

I can only go on what is reported and his reaction to that reporting.
Hios reaction was that his remarks were misinterpreted, and he apologised for any offence caused. He has no personal grudge against disabled people, and helps far more than I have ever done, and maybe more than you have, I dont know.
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Old 04-07-2016, 12:15
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Fresh off steadying the ship at Chelsea, exactly what England could do with. For a manager I'd certainly take a chequered last decade over one spent in a TV studio.
Stop talking about football, this discussion is just for Hoddle's karmic philosophy.
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Old 04-07-2016, 12:33
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He said at the time his remarks were misinterpreted, and he apologised for any offence caused. The national pastime of slaughtering whoever the England manager is, went into overdrive, and he had no choice but to get out.

He has worked closely with many disabled charities, and they dont seem to hold a grudge against him. Perhaps they should be asked about him.

It was a long time ago, and we should be prepared to move on if he gets the job. I think it would be a bad move for him to try and clarify anything, because quotes would be highlighted that would be used against him again, and the whole thing would start up again.
in general terms i agree with you and I agree about the level of outrage that surrounds anything at all in this country. I have no doubt that he does many good things too. However if he was genuinely misinterpreted I think he needs to get the elephant out of the room and clear the air if he has ambitions of being involved again. Im a quite easy going fellow I think but on face value I feel it prohibits him forming coach again unless it is addressed.
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Old 04-07-2016, 12:34
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He said at the time his remarks were misinterpreted, and he apologised for any offence caused. The national pastime of slaughtering whoever the England manager is, went into overdrive, and he had no choice but to get out.

He has worked closely with many disabled charities, and they dont seem to hold a grudge against him. Perhaps they should be asked about him.

It was a long time ago, and we should be prepared to move on if he gets the job. I think it would be a bad move for him to try and clarify anything, because quotes would be highlighted that would be used against him again, and the whole thing would start up again.
How convenient. Notice that he did not take legal action, i have no doubt that the interview was also recorded. They ARE his quotes, he does believe that. He is sick

He wasnt hounded out - like he is the "victim", he was held to account for his actions by the media and rightly so. He is lucky to get a job in the media. Thinking he can come back, after his quotes, training methods, dodgy "injections", anti science and lack of football management for 10 years, is ridiculous.

There are some things you cannot apologize for, and blaming children for their own disability is one of them. Its sick and twisted.
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Old 04-07-2016, 12:36
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Many people believe in karma and previous lives. It's no reason to fire them all
What he said was sick and twisted, and if he mentioned it any other profession he would have been rightly sacked too.

Try it in your own office today, you will be suspended before 5pm and sacked within the week.
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Old 04-07-2016, 12:42
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What he said was sick and twisted, and if he mentioned it any other profession he would have been rightly sacked too.

Try it in your own office today, you will be suspended before 5pm and sacked within the week.
No you won't.
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Old 04-07-2016, 12:52
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Regardless of what Hoddle said just ask what has he done in football management since he got sacked by England?

Hoddle has failed time and time again. His last job was in 2006. 10 years outside football management and people want him to Manage England. That's crazy!!!
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Old 04-07-2016, 13:20
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Regardless of what Hoddle said just ask what has he done in football management since he got sacked by England?

Hoddle has failed time and time again. His last job was in 2006. 10 years outside football management and people want him to Manage England. That's crazy!!!
Yeah, was about to post the same thing. I can't understand the reasoning behind calls for him to get the job. There's no argument on a footballing level, that's for sure. The last time he held the post he was still in his thirties and perhaps had a close bond with his players. They at the very least would have known who he was and what he had done as a player. For the young players now, I'm not sure there's quite that same kind of respect for him.

As far as I can see there's no manager that directly jumps out. Therefore, I'd favour an older experienced (especially and importantly at international level) manager like Hiddink for the next couple of years. We can then assess the situation again in 2018.
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Old 04-07-2016, 13:30
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How convenient. Notice that he did not take legal action, i have no doubt that the interview was also recorded. They ARE his quotes, he does believe that. He is sick

He wasnt hounded out - like he is the "victim", he was held to account for his actions by the media and rightly so. He is lucky to get a job in the media. Thinking he can come back, after his quotes, training methods, dodgy "injections", anti science and lack of football management for 10 years, is ridiculous.

There are some things you cannot apologize for, and blaming children for their own disability is one of them. Its sick and twisted.
You've obviously got some personal grievance.

He does a lot of work with disabled charities, and you would think they would have refused to have anything to do with him if he was the sick, twisted character you portray.

He hasn't invented this mad idea, it is something from whatever barmy religious group he supported, and I dont know if his perception was meant in the way it is quoted for ever more. he tried to say he was misrepresented, but no one wants to listen to that. Cat Stevens made some daft comments when he converted religion, and although he has changed his stance, and accepted their were misinterpretations, there are plenty who still quote some of those barmy things, and think he still believes that.

It was a long time ago, and people deserve the benefit of the doubt sometimes. He didn't invent that theory, nor has he used it to prejudice anyone.
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Old 04-07-2016, 13:32
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Yeah, was about to post the same thing. I can't understand the reasoning behind calls for him to get the job. There's no argument on a footballing level, that's for sure. The last time he held the post he was still in his thirties and perhaps had a close bond with his players. They at the very least would have known who he was and what he had done as a player. For the young players now, I'm not sure there's quite that same kind of respect for him.

As far as I can see there's no manager that directly jumps out. Therefore, I'd favour an older experienced (especially and importantly at international level) manager like Hiddink for the next couple of years. We can then assess the situation again in 2018.
He's been involved in football with his training schemes, and media work. He clearly does understand the game.

I think he'd do a good job, but overall, I hope he doesn't get it, because the flak he'd get would be unbearable, and he doesn't need it now.
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Old 04-07-2016, 13:33
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What he said was sick and twisted, and if he mentioned it any other profession he would have been rightly sacked too.

Try it in your own office today, you will be suspended before 5pm and sacked within the week.
Rubbish.
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Old 04-07-2016, 13:37
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Regardless of what Hoddle said just ask what has he done in football management since he got sacked by England?

Hoddle has failed time and time again. His last job was in 2006. 10 years outside football management and people want him to Manage England. That's crazy!!!
This is what I have been consistently saying, it would be madness to give a jib in the modern world to someone who has been out of management for such a long time.

By all means listen to what he has to say as part if the "root and branch" review, along with a lot of other people, but for heavens sake, don't give him the job again.

The job should go to someone who (since The FA most likely will not be prepared or willing to overhaul their own system) knows what international football is all about, and can just with other nations get an almost club like atmosphere, and get everyone pulling in the same direction, and willing to sacrifice themselves for the team.

Where we find that person I don't know, but at the moment, they don't look like being English.
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