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Rubbish.
So if i tell a disabled person, of which there are many in my workplace, that they should suck it up as the reason they are disabled is because they were evil in a past life, i should not expect to be suspended? Hoddle is sick and twisted, the lowest of the low. Even if we ignore that, him having a faith healer on the FA payroll is more than enough for him to never be near a football club again. "If" he is rehabilitated and such a brilliant coach/ manager, have you ever wondered why he hasnt got a job in the last 10 years? Now this is not personal, if Conte came out with this hate or quackery - i would be campaigning to have them removed from my club asap. |
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He's been involved in football with his training schemes, and media work. He clearly does understand the game.
I think he'd do a good job, but overall, I hope he doesn't get it, because the flak he'd get would be unbearable, and he doesn't need it now. |
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sometimes i am surprised by this forum.
So if i tell a disabled person, of which there are many in my workplace, that they should suck it up as the reason they are disabled is because they were evil in a past life, i should not expect to be suspended? Hoddle is sick and twisted, the lowest of the low. Even if we ignore that, him having a faith healer on the FA payroll is more than enough for him to never be near a football club again. "If" he is rehabilitated and such a brilliant coach/ manager, have you ever wondered why he hasnt got a job in the last 10 years? Now this is not personal, if Conte came out with this hate or quackery - i would be campaigning to have them removed from my club asap. He hasn't had a job in management because he hasn't wanted one. You talk of hatred etc, but Mourinho caused much more than Hoddle has ever done. Look at his behaviour over the years, yet he is a hero to most of your fans. |
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Working in the media, and talking tactics didn't unfortunately do much for Gary Neville when it came to putting it into action at Valencia, so why should that be put forward as a reason why Hoddle should be considered for the role??
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Is there an echo in here?
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Yeah, I'd need to hear a bit more than 'has appeared on tv and been involved with training schemes' before I was convinced. I'm surprised on an individual level he'd want to deal with the pressures of this job, given that he hasn't tried to get back into management over the last decade.
This was a well run scheme he did for a few years, where he ploughed much into the looking after of players who just failed to make the grade. He's clearly happy with his media work, as many ex players are, and I hope he sticks to that. I dont want him to be subject of all the hatred again, but I think he'd do a much better job than many current managers. As a player, he was way ahead of his time, and some of his ideas as a manager are common place now. I think he'd do fine, but the outside pressures would make it difficult. Leave him to run the team, and he'd be good. Ultimately he'd fail again, as whoever gets the job will, because the media, and public expect instant success for England, or they are considered rubbish. |
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Working in the media, and talking tactics didn't unfortunately do much for Gary Neville when it came to putting it into action at Valencia, so why should that be put forward as a reason why Hoddle should be considered for the role??
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Because they are different people, with different experiences. Who do you want?
It is about continuous improvement, you can't afford to stand still in this game, and Glenn has most certainly done that, not being in management for so long, does seriously harm him in terms of getting the job (or it should). Talking the talk, means nothing, if you can't walk the walk so to speak. |
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You should look at the "glenn hoddle academy" with a bit more detail...
It sounds altruistic, but when you look a little deeper you will have to make your own mind up. Wiki: The main objective of the academy is to get former Premier League and Football League Championship scholars back into professional football after being released by their various clubs. Wiki: The academy is financed by Hero Global Football Fund but its eventual aim is to make a profit by selling players through third-party ownership, signing sponsorship deals and offering coaching for other organisations, to become self-sustainable. Guardian: The Hero Global Football Fund, based in the tax haven of Jersey and run from London, has $40m (£27m) committed from the Emirates NBD bank of Dubai and is seeking to grow to $100m with investments from wealthy individuals. The fund intends to invest in clubs in Europe, Africa, South America and the Far East in return for a cut of young players' transfer fees when they are sold on. This of course is banned, as you cannot have third party ownership in the PL, so is main objective stated above is flawed. How on earth is that mess involving glenn in "coaching"? So you get players released by clubs and then, they are "trained" by Graham Rix, Nigel Spackman, Dave Beasant and John Gorman. To make money on the players, they make profits by selling players through "third-party ownership, signing sponsorship deals" and "sell on clauses". (Wiki) |
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Hoddle hasn't done what you keep claiming he has. He repeated some barmy theory from a religion, but has not acted on it, or discriminated against anyone, quite the contrary.
I would love to know your opinion on that absolute load of garbage, and of course his injections he told the players to have. Some didnt even know what they were being injected with apparently! |
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I gave the names that I want or would like, a few pages back now.
It is about continuous improvement, you can't afford to stand still in this game, and Glenn has most certainly done that, not being in management for so long, does seriously harm him in terms of getting the job (or it should). Talking the talk, means nothing, if you can't walk the walk so to speak. |
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Working in the media, and talking tactics didn't unfortunately do much for Gary Neville when it came to putting it into action at Valencia, so why should that be put forward as a reason why Hoddle should be considered for the role??
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He hasn't had a job in management because he hasn't wanted one.
Not sure I believe that.
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It was a while ago now, but Glenn Hoddle's been a football manager with relative success. He and Neville aren't the same.
The job needs to go to someone who has been regularly involved in the game, not just talking about it on TV, or writing about it in the press. The two are very, very different things. Times change, and so people have to change with them, what worked when Glenn was last a manager, might not work now. |
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That's not the point in question. You asked what makes Hoddle different from Neville, and the answer is 'quite a lot'.
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That is the point, it was a while ago, and even then it was not exactly a successful one was it?
The job needs to go to someone who has been regularly involved in the game, not just talking about it on TV, or writing about it in the press. The two are very, very different things. Times change, and so people have to change with them, what worked when Glenn was last a manager, might not work now. |
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Based on various examples that she's used, Codeblue's workplace sounds a barrel of laughs....
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Glenn? Who the freak is Glenn?
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That is the point, it was a while ago, and even then it was not exactly a successful one was it?
The job needs to go to someone who has been regularly involved in the game, not just talking about it on TV, or writing about it in the press. The two are very, very different things. Times change, and so people have to change with them, what worked when Glenn was last a manager, might not work now. The level of patronising knows no bounds. |
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Based on various examples that she's used, Codeblue's workplace sounds a barrel of laughs....
HR department is thriving though. |
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It was a while ago now, but Glenn Hoddle's been a football manager with relative success. He and Neville aren't the same.
Swindon 42% win ratio Chelsea 33% win Southampton 42% win Spurs 39% win Wolves 35% win Hardly tearing up trees really, fergie has 59%, Jose was sacked with 58% from chelsea, having had 71% at madrid. Klopp 56% at Dortmund, Guardiola is averaging 73% Hoddles club record is actually poor, from someone we believe to be a gifted coach. |
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Theres no one left.
HR department is thriving though. |
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Relative of course being the key word in his case. He did well with Swindon and when you add a few decent cup runs with a less expectant Chelsea and combine with being a silky ex-player and of a decent age you can see why the FA's head was turned.
Other than answering Batdude's overly simplistic comparison I'm not trying to make a case for Hoddle now, he should be nowhere near the job or a microphone as far as I'm concerned. |
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Relative of course being the key word in his case. He did well with Swindon and when you add a few decent cup runs with a less expectant Chelsea and combine with being a silky ex-player and of a decent age you can see why the FA's head was turned.
Other than answering Batdude's overly simplistic comparison I'm not trying to make a case for Hoddle now, he should be nowhere near the job or a microphone as far as I'm concerned. but when you look at it, "relative" success isnt enough. We need actual success for the top job. Otherwise we would end up with big sam, who is a relative success in just keeping sunderland up. hoddles club record is mediocre at best, and poor in my book. |
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That's exactly why I hope they don't insist on an English coach again, there's nobody with any real pedigree. Hopefully going foreign will also force them to ask why other countries have so many more qualified coaches than we can muster.
EDIT: no idea how accurate this is, but they estimate that Iceland has one UEFA-qualified coach per 500 people, whereas England has only one per 5000 people. Considering that's a national team that had never been to a tournament before, it's like we've spent 50+ years resting on laurels hoping reputation and tradition will plug all the holes. |
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