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Hopefully going foreign will also force them to ask why other countries have so many more qualified coaches than we can muster.
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it's like we've spent 50+ years resting on laurels hoping reputation and tradition will plug all the holes.
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I really don't get why some pundits have some weird aversion to a foreign manager. Andy Gray's reaction was kinda pathetic when Keegan said England will probably go foreign again (though I don't get why he's so bothered given he's a Scot) and Ian Wright wasn't impressed either at the suggestion on ITV. They say 'going foreign' hasn't worked. Well the vast majority of our managers have been English and they haven't worked either so your point is? I hope they go for the best manager and if it happens to be foreign then so be it. It'll have to be someone who has an insight into the English game but that shouldn't a problem. Capello flopped because he didn't have any insight into the England team and was still learning to string a sentence together in English whilst managing here.
Anyone but Southgate will do for me though
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Dont forget "passion", thats what the england team of millionaires needs, "passion".
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I shall unsubscribe from this thread, it's become totally boring with or the Hoddle twadle, all the sensible posters are be drowned out.
Maybe I can start a new thread where talk of Hoddle isnt allowed |
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That's exactly why I hope they don't insist on an English coach again, there's nobody with any real pedigree. Hopefully going foreign will also force them to ask why other countries have so many more qualified coaches than we can muster.
EDIT: no idea how accurate this is, but they estimate that Iceland has one UEFA-qualified coach per 500 people, whereas England has only one per 5000 people. Considering that's a national team that had never been to a tournament before, it's like we've spent 50+ years resting on laurels hoping reputation and tradition will plug all the holes. It's way more expensive in this country than it is in places like Germany or Spain. Obviously, it's not really a concern for ex-players, but I'm sure that it inhibits loads of 'normal' people from seeing it as a viable option. |
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One of the biggest problems is the cost of doing your coaching badges.
It's way more expensive in this country than it is in places like Germany or Spain. Obviously, it's not really a concern for ex-players, but I'm sure that it inhibits loads of 'normal' people from seeing it as a viable option. Whereas in other countries it is subsidised, and doesn't cost anywhere near as much. That is one of the key things The FA could put their money towards doing, rather than drastically over paying for a national team manager, quite why Roy was on such vastly inflated sums of cash I will never know. Him being the highest payed coach at the Euro's was embarrassing initself, nevermind what came after the tournament started. |
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All education is crazy expensive in this country. Postgrad courses, even distance learning progs, are rarely less than 5k and often vastly more.
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All education is crazy expensive in this country. Postgrad courses, even distance learning progs, are rarely less than 5k and often vastly more.
£5,000+ is a lot of money, when the chances of earning a decent living from it are so minor. And I might be wrong, but I think that figure is only for the first badge. To get to the UEFA Pro-licence (or whatever it's called), I'd guess that you'd have to spend a lot more. Happy to be corrected by someone who knows more about these things, mind. |
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All education is crazy expensive in this country. Postgrad courses, even distance learning progs, are rarely less than 5k and often vastly more.
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True, but the risk/reward factor is much smaller with football coaching.
£5,000+ is a lot of money, when the chances of earning a decent living from it are so minor. And I might be wrong, but I think that figure is only for the first badge. To get to the UEFA Pro-licence (or whatever it's called), I'd guess that you'd have to spend a lot more. Happy to be corrected by someone who knows more about these things, mind. |
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That's exactly why I hope they don't insist on an English coach again, there's nobody with any real pedigree. Hopefully going foreign will also force them to ask why other countries have so many more qualified coaches than we can muster.
EDIT: no idea how accurate this is, but they estimate that Iceland has one UEFA-qualified coach per 500 people, whereas England has only one per 5000 people. Considering that's a national team that had never been to a tournament before, it's like we've spent 50+ years resting on laurels hoping reputation and tradition will plug all the holes. The amount of coaches is impressive and its why as a Scotland fan its embarrassing to see what they have done in comparison. Coaching is key and its vital there are more and more coaches. |
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Yes Iceland invested heavily in coaches and indoor facilities.
The amount of coaches is impressive and its why as a Scotland fan its embarrassing to see what they have done in comparison. Coaching is key and its vital there are more and more coaches. The fact that Iceland have so many is a great credit to them, and it is paying off in both the male and female game. We should take a long hard look at them, and ask why when The FA have so much cash, could we not do something similar over here (and even up there in Scotland with the SFA)?? |
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what exactly do you get for your £5000?
Level 5, UEFA Pro Licence (focus on how to manage) A mandatory qualification for managing in the FA Premier League and UEFA competitions. Invitation only, most candidates complete in 12 months Level 4, UEFA A Licence (focus on phases of play, 9v9 games and 11v11 match play) Work as a manager/coach in the professional game, or Academy Manager. Most candidates complete within 2 years. Level 3, UEFA B Licence (focus on functions, phases of play and 8v8 games) Find work in Centres of Excellence and Academies You have 2 years, but can usually be completed in 12-18 months Level 2, Certificate in Coaching Football (focus on techniques, skills and 4v4 games) Find work in Football in the Community, local authorities, US soccer camps. You have 2 years to complete, but it can be achieved in 6 months. You must start here. how difficult can it be? it sounds terrible |
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True, but the risk/reward factor is much smaller with football coaching.
£5,000+ is a lot of money, when the chances of earning a decent living from it are so minor. And I might be wrong, but I think that figure is only for the first badge. To get to the UEFA Pro-licence (or whatever it's called), I'd guess that you'd have to spend a lot more. Happy to be corrected by someone who knows more about these things, mind. ![]() Totally agree with what you're saying, but it does also seem to fit within a very depressing wider culture in this country. A lot of risk and expense with no guarantee of getting anywhere. |
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I was reading an article yesterday which listed some of the big names who are doing the Pro Licence through the Welsh FA course instead of the English one as it has a better reputation. The English one is regarded as being very regimented and set in its' ways, i.e "this is the right way to do this, any other way is wrong" etc, whereas other courses allow a lot more freedom and personal interpretation, so there is no "wrong" or "bad" way.
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Tell that to an Art History student!
![]() Totally agree with what you're saying, but it does also seem to fit within a very depressing wider culture in this country. A lot of risk and expense with no guarantee of getting anywhere. |
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Getting the costs down for courses in general would be a great thing, although quite how you do that (away from this particular example) I don't know.
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The business school here have put on the Certificate in Applied Management course that has pulled in some big names over the years, although it's an odd mix of sport and project management. Mark Hughes, Stuart Pearce, Paul Ince, Nigel Adkins, Les Ferdinand, Sean Dyche, Darren Ferguson, Dean Saunders, all of them (probably not) getting cheap drinks down the SU.
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The business school here have put on the Certificate in Applied Management course that has pulled in some big names over the years, although it's an odd mix of sport and project management. Mark Hughes, Stuart Pearce, Paul Ince, Nigel Adkins, Les Ferdinand, Sean Dyche, Darren Ferguson, Dean Saunders, all of them (probably not) getting cheap drinks down the SU.
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First day of class Paul Ince asks everyone to call him Guv'nor, gets a wedgie every day from that point on
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First day of class Paul Ince asks everyone to call him Guv'nor, gets a wedgie every day from that point on
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The coaching issue is indeed an issue but it was brought up years ago and is something that needs to be addressed away from the problem of the national team. It will take a decade or more to see the benefits of making coaching badges more accessible and in all honesty I thought that was being addressed already in one of the many other "root and branch reviews" of the entire game that take place every time England crash out of a major championships.
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I'm a little surprised Stuart Pearce's name hasn't popped up. He's shouty and wants to win, so the search is over!
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He might play Joe Hart up front!
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