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Old 12-07-2016, 21:18
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'Hodgkin'.

Lovely stuff.
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Old 12-07-2016, 21:28
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Why are the suits scared of picking the best man for the job.

Clough was ignored.
Allardyce was ignored when Hodgkin got it.
What is with the name calling? Why not just use his proper name?
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Old 12-07-2016, 21:56
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What is with the name calling? Why not just use his proper name?
sorry, unintentional. autocomplete on a tablet. (Kindle Fire, as it happened) I have to correct loads of mistakes after posting. I missed that one. I forget what it tried to use for Sam - something totally different. I'm on a PC at the moment. Clough came up as Slough originally.
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Old 12-07-2016, 22:00
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sorry, unintentional. autocomplete on a tablet. (Kindle Fire, as it happened) I have to correct loads of mistakes after posting. I missed that one. I forget what it tried to use for Sam - something totally different. I'm on a PC at the moment. Clough came up as Slough originally.
I found it quite funny, to be honest.
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Old 12-07-2016, 23:12
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Well when you watch these English players week after week in the PL do you think they are better or worse than the players you watch every week in the PL who play for Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Eire?
I suppose when it comes down to it, I still think England has better players than the rest of the British Isles or at least we have them in greater quantity. However, at the Euros Wales seemed to be the better team than England. You could even make an argument for the two Ireland nations having a better team unit than England. What I mean is that all three of those nations put their team together better than England did. Was that because they all had better managers than England? I think so which is why I still believe we have the better players. Of course, some might disagree. Here's one thing that puzzles me though. How did we go from beating Wales to losing to Iceland? I still don't get that. We dominated Russia and should've beaten them, we deservedly beat Wales and dominated but struggled to break down Slovakia. So our performance against Iceland doesn't make sense. I know Hodgson made a few changes but we still shouldn't have been that inept, surely?! I'm not saying this because its England, I'm saying this because we didn't perform like that in the group stages against tougher opposition.
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Old 12-07-2016, 23:17
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sorry, unintentional. autocomplete on a tablet. (Kindle Fire, as it happened) I have to correct loads of mistakes after posting. I missed that one. I forget what it tried to use for Sam - something totally different. I'm on a PC at the moment. Clough came up as Slough originally.
Ahh no worries, we all make mistakes from time to time.
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Old 12-07-2016, 23:20
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Big Sam lol.

England well and truly digging deep in the barrel.
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Old 12-07-2016, 23:20
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I suppose when it comes down to it, I still think England has better players than the rest of the British Isles or at least we have them in greater quantity. However, at the Euros Wales seemed to be the better team than England. You could even make an argument for the two Ireland nations having a better team unit than England. What I mean is that all three of those nations put their team together better than England did. Was that because they all had better managers than England? I think so which is why I still believe we have the better players. Of course, some might disagree. Here's one thing that puzzles me though. How did we go from beating Wales to losing to Iceland? I still don't get that. We dominated Russia and should've beaten them, we deservedly beat Wales and dominated but struggled to break down Slovakia. So our performance against Iceland doesn't make sense. I know Hodgson made a few changes but we still shouldn't have been that inept, surely?! I'm not saying this because its England, I'm saying this because we didn't perform like that in the group stages against tougher opposition.
Well we only scored right at the death against Wales, so it wasn't as if it was a case of beating them comfortably or anything like that, if anything it should really have been a draw at best for England.

From there we just capitulated big time under pressure from Iceland, as they had a gameplan, whereas it just looked as if Roy said, "meh, it's only Iceland, just go out there and beat them.
Oh and Harry, your still on set-pieces okay?!".
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Old 12-07-2016, 23:24
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Unless Hoddle is being considered then the next best is Alladyce. Ok it's not a glamorous appointment but at the very least I think he will get them playing as a team which is something that Chris Coleman did very well with Wales and Hodgson didn't.

As for Eddie Howe, too young and inexperienced to deal with some of the egos. One for the future maybe....

As for Klinsman- absolutely not!
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Old 12-07-2016, 23:27
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Big Sam lol.

England well and truly digging deep in the barrel.
Give me a name then.
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Old 12-07-2016, 23:29
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Unless Hoddle is being considered then the next best is Alladyce. Ok it's not a glamorous appointment but at the very least I think he will get them playing as a team which is something that Chris Coleman did very well with Wales and Hodgson didn't.

As for Eddie Howe, too young and inexperienced to deal with some of the egos. One for the future maybe....

As for Klinsman- absolutely not!
I know that I was quite young and inexperienced at the time, but at Euro 96, I quite liked the pairing of Venebles and Robson, perhaps in a way Big Sam and Howe could be the modern day replica of that?
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Old 12-07-2016, 23:37
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Big Sam lol.

England well and truly digging deep in the barrel.
Scotland
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Old 12-07-2016, 23:54
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Yeah, much rather scrape our barrel than theirs!
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Old 13-07-2016, 00:03
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Yeah, much rather scrape our barrel than theirs!
The upcoming two matches between the two nations, will not be for the faint of heart, as both nations are not exactly blessed with a half decent generation of players currently.
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Old 13-07-2016, 07:10
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Thank goodness Brendan Rodgers is in employment, for now!
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Old 13-07-2016, 07:22
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Well we only scored right at the death against Wales, so it wasn't as if it was a case of beating them comfortably or anything like that, if anything it should really have been a draw at best for England.

From there we just capitulated big time under pressure from Iceland, as they had a gameplan, whereas it just looked as if Roy said, "meh, it's only Iceland, just go out there and beat them.
Oh and Harry, your still on set-pieces okay?!".
Wales offered nothing, and we deserved the win. We really should have won all the matches in the group, but teams/coaching has improved from other nations, that they have made it difficult for the better teams to break them down.

As for Iceland, I don't know what happened in that match, not really sure you can put to much blame on Roy for that one, as it was more than tactics that cost us...the players couldn't string any passes together or keep the ball, not much a manager can do, when the players cannot even do the simple things right.
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Old 13-07-2016, 07:24
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Are people still not blaming Roy? The guy who didn't know his best team?

The abject failure in three tournaments?
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Old 13-07-2016, 07:40
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Are people still not blaming Roy? The guy who didn't know his best team?

The abject failure in three tournaments?
Three tournaments...what about every tournament since 1966. Every single manager we have ever had since Ramsey all failures.
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Old 13-07-2016, 08:25
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Well we only scored right at the death against Wales, so it wasn't as if it was a case of beating them comfortably or anything like that, if anything it should really have been a draw at best for England.
No it shouldn't, goals aren't worth less when they're late.
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Old 13-07-2016, 08:55
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I suppose when it comes down to it, I still think England has better players than the rest of the British Isles or at least we have them in greater quantity. However, at the Euros Wales seemed to be the better team than England. You could even make an argument for the two Ireland nations having a better team unit than England. What I mean is that all three of those nations put their team together better than England did. Was that because they all had better managers than England? I think so which is why I still believe we have the better players. Of course, some might disagree. Here's one thing that puzzles me though. How did we go from beating Wales to losing to Iceland? I still don't get that. We dominated Russia and should've beaten them, we deservedly beat Wales and dominated but struggled to break down Slovakia. So our performance against Iceland doesn't make sense. I know Hodgson made a few changes but we still shouldn't have been that inept, surely?! I'm not saying this because its England, I'm saying this because we didn't perform like that in the group stages against tougher opposition.
I think individual ability is maybe only 1/3rd of a total performance. Team shape, relaxation, mentality, confidence, fitness and stuff like that makes up the rest. I'm plucking figures out the air but the point is that I don't think poor team performance is always solely to blame on not having the right jigsaw pieces.

England have a larger pool of good players (with no stars) than the other UK and Irish nations. Wales have the best player. I think a united squad would be mostly English, some Welsh, a couple of Irish and maybe a single Scot (reserve goalie maybe!) and a Northern Irish player if I was picking my 23 man squad.

All that matters little though because it's about team performance rather than how many options you have. In a way, it's easier to be a nation with a few stars above the rest as you know who to build the team around.

I think people concentrate too much on the ability of the individual players rather than the team performance and what it needs. In practice, there is very little between England's players. They are good premier league players but none of them are really star players - or at least not outside their own domestic league yet. Kane and players like that need to shine in the Champions League and future international knockout tournaments before they can be talked about as being that great. They are the best nationals in their domestic league but they aren't the very best players.
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Old 13-07-2016, 09:19
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If Big Sam does get the job.

I bet Mark Noble gets a call up, Possibly Andy Carroll, thank God Kevin Nolan is past it
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Old 13-07-2016, 09:24
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If Big Sam does get the job.

I bet Mark Noble gets a call up, Possibly Andy Carroll, thank God Kevin Nolan is past it
There's a few at West Ham due a shot. I bet them and Southampton have the most new caps next year.
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Old 13-07-2016, 09:30
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"big sam" is one of the old boy network.

Hoddle, harry, curbs, anyone who has ever had alan brazil say "he could do a job for them".

If Sam is in charge of england, prepare for yet more failure
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Old 13-07-2016, 09:37
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Other than Sam, who then do we go for?
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Old 13-07-2016, 09:38
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All those Journos, Pundits, Commentators, who have called him Big Sam for years, will have to get used to calling him Sam Allardyce.

If he is given the England job, you have to feel for Sunderland just when they thought they had stability
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