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Old 13-07-2016, 13:26
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Old 13-07-2016, 13:42
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where has all this "allardyce is fantastic" with technology come from?

He looks like he has never used a computer and sounds like he can not string a sentence together.
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Old 13-07-2016, 14:16
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He's a wiz on Powerpoint according to that bit of his autobiography, although you can pretty much do the MOS tests in your sleep.
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Old 13-07-2016, 14:27
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He's a wiz on Powerpoint according to that bit of his autobiography, although you can pretty much do the MOS tests in your sleep.
the worrying thing, is that its often said that allardyce and people like AVB impressed people with a PowerPoint presentation in an interview - and this is held up as some sort of wizardry by interview panels.
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Old 13-07-2016, 14:35
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The FA didn't even have presentation functionality available for Allardyce, which doesn't inspire too much confidence in their forward thinking. Oranges and blackboards it is.
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Old 13-07-2016, 14:43
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He's had to explain his game plan using salt and pepper shakers and a bottle of daddies ketchup.
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Old 13-07-2016, 14:50
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Sort of despairing that Allardyce is he best we can up with to manage England.

Perhaps another option for the FA would be to appoint Hoddle as a caretaker for a year so that they have more time to negotiate with a candidate with top credentials, who will be able to make themselves available at the end of next season.
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Old 13-07-2016, 14:55
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What if no top candidate makes themselves available though? We'd be stuck with a kook commentator dropping players because they slaughtered villagers in the 12th century.
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Old 13-07-2016, 14:58
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Sort of despairing that Allardyce is he best we can up with to manage England.

Perhaps another option for the FA would be to appoint Hoddle as a caretaker for a year so that they have more time to negotiate with a candidate with top credentials, who will be able to make themselves available at the end of next season.
its that name hoddle again.

The same hoddle who hasnt worked in management for 10 years after getting the sack from wolves?

The same hoddle who would be hounded (rightly so) by the media for his disgusting attitudes towards the disabled?

The same hoddle who took a faith healer to a tournament and insisted that the players use her witchcraft nonsense

I simply do not get why hoddle is seen as this fantastic coach, or worthy of the top job in english football.

How can you have a manager who has won nothing as a manager, and hasnt worked in the game for 10 years?

His "academy" is also rather odd, but best not say any more.
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Old 13-07-2016, 14:58
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...If he is given the England job, you have to feel for Sunderland just when they thought they had stability
Roy Hodgson is available!
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Old 13-07-2016, 14:59
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Roy Hodgson is available!
moysey, curbs, mcclaren, hodgson, hoddle, harry, barry fry, joe kinnear, reidy, barnsey, scholsey, nevilles, giggs, rio, shearer et al could all do a job for them!
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Old 13-07-2016, 15:14
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Outside of their own supporters I doubt anyone cares.
Okay, if that is your take on it, then that is fine, I would be interested to see who for example Pep will be facing in the opposition dugout on the opening day.
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Old 13-07-2016, 15:16
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where has all this "allardyce is fantastic" with technology come from?

He looks like he has never used a computer and sounds like he can not string a sentence together.
Possibly because of what he did in his days at Bolton. He was innovative in the use of Prozone, and he was able to put together a very good team, based on his methods. He used to send his coaching staff into Europe to gain experience long before many others thought about such things.

His image is of a bit of a buffoon, but he obviously knows his stuff, and if he gets the job, it would be nice if people gave him a chance.

He wouldn't get constant job offers if he was useless, and it says more about you than him if you write him off in such derogatory terms.
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Old 13-07-2016, 15:20
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Okay, if that is your take on it, then that is fine, I would be interested to see who for example Pep will be facing in the opposition dugout on the opening day.
You must have an awful lot of spare time on your hands.
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Old 13-07-2016, 15:26
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Possibly because of what he did in his days at Bolton. He was innovative in the use of Prozone, and he was able to put together a very good team, based on his methods. He used to send his coaching staff into Europe to gain experience long before many others thought about such things.

His image is of a bit of a buffoon, but he obviously knows his stuff, and if he gets the job, it would be nice if people gave him a chance.

He wouldn't get constant job offers if he was useless, and it says more about you than him if you write him off in such derogatory terms.
I can understand that he was an early adopter of prozone, but he is dining out on that many years later. There is zero to suggest he has kept this up and that he is still an innovator.

An example would be of wenger - who introduced "pasta" to the arsenal players and was seen as some sort of professor of the game. Now lots of fans will concede that his once "revolutionary" ideas (for football, stuck in dinosaur land) have now past him by.

Allardyce gets job offers from certain types of team, desperate teams. Once they realize that he cannot take them further - they sack him. Newcastle and West ham are good examples. They could not wait to get rid of him.
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Old 13-07-2016, 15:29
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Possibly because of what he did in his days at Bolton. He was innovative in the use of Prozone, and he was able to put together a very good team, based on his methods. He used to send his coaching staff into Europe to gain experience long before many others thought about such things.

His image is of a bit of a buffoon, but he obviously knows his stuff, and if he gets the job, it would be nice if people gave him a chance.

He wouldn't get constant job offers if he was useless, and it says more about you than him if you write him off in such derogatory terms.
Like we did Hodgson? No way will I do that again, he is the wrong person end of, I think I will start supporting Wales instead

In a Sky Sports News poll 25K up-voted him whilst 40K down-voted him, it's quite clear he wont be a popular appointment
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Old 13-07-2016, 15:53
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Like we did Hodgson? No way will I do that again, he is the wrong person end of, I think I will start supporting Wales instead
That is what i did for the last 2 tournaments.

It was clear to me that hodgson was way out of his depth, and i would not enjoy the tournament watching the england games.

In Brazil, i was proved correct. It was a great tournament without the embarrassment of watching england crash out.

I did the same with the Euros, and took pelters in the "hodgson" thread, forum members giving him the benefit of the doubt. I watched the tournament supporting wales and avoiding the obvious england debacle.

I was relieved when hodgson was sacked. It would mean that i could start supporting them again.

However, if hoddle/ harry were picked im aftarid i would not be willing to watch the same old car crash. With "big Sam", im sure it will be more of the same.
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Old 13-07-2016, 16:03
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I did the same with the Euros, and took pelters in the "hodgson" thread, forum members giving him the benefit of the doubt. I watched the tournament supporting wales and avoiding the obvious england debacle.

I was relieved when hodgson was sacked. It would mean that i could start supporting them again.
Sorry but this is an absolutely dreadful attitude to have.

If someone posted this in the Chelsea thread they would have been ripped apart for being a "fair weather fan".

If it's true for club teams, it's doubly true for international. You can choose your club - you can't choose your country. There's a reason the fans of countries like Iceland, Northern Ireland and Wales were the best in the tournament, and that's because they supported their teams through thick and thin.

If you're English, then you should support England - end of discussion.
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Old 13-07-2016, 16:11
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The FA didn't even have presentation functionality available for Allardyce, which doesn't inspire too much confidence in their forward thinking. Oranges and blackboards it is.
Didn't Greg Dyke step down because of his frustration with the FA and their reluctance to accept reform?
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Old 13-07-2016, 16:14
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Sorry but this is an absolutely dreadful attitude to have.

If someone posted this in the Chelsea thread they would have been ripped apart for being a "fair weather fan".

If it's true for club teams, it's doubly true for international. You can choose your club - you can't choose your country. There's a reason the fans of countries like Iceland, Northern Ireland and Wales were the best in the tournament, and that's because they supported their teams through thick and thin.

If you're English, then you should support England - end of discussion.
Well I'm going to reopen the discussion because I don't agree. I'll support whoever the bloody hell I want.

I couldn't give a shit whether people consider me a "fair weather fan" because I've never particularly been behind England anyway. I consider the Netherlands to be my second home and I've always supported the Dutch, even though they've been utter shite recently. That's sticking with a team through thick and thin.
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Old 13-07-2016, 16:17
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Well I'm going to reopen the discussion because I don't agree. I'll support whoever the bloody hell I want.
Indeed, we get no say in the manager but at least we can choose who we wish to support
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Old 13-07-2016, 16:34
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Like we did Hodgson? No way will I do that again, he is the wrong person end of, I think I will start supporting Wales instead

In a Sky Sports News poll 25K up-voted him whilst 40K down-voted him, it's quite clear he wont be a popular appointment
Well you're not a supporter then, simple as that.

Such polls, and forums etc tend to attract the negative, so no surprises. I know the press, and people like you will slate him whatever he does, because that's what we do.

I prefer to see what happens, then judge, but I still support my team.
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Old 13-07-2016, 16:35
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That is what i did for the last 2 tournaments.

It was clear to me that hodgson was way out of his depth, and i would not enjoy the tournament watching the england games.

In Brazil, i was proved correct. It was a great tournament without the embarrassment of watching england crash out.

I did the same with the Euros, and took pelters in the "hodgson" thread, forum members giving him the benefit of the doubt. I watched the tournament supporting wales and avoiding the obvious england debacle.

I was relieved when hodgson was sacked. It would mean that i could start supporting them again.

However, if hoddle/ harry were picked im aftarid i would not be willing to watch the same old car crash. With "big Sam", im sure it will be more of the same.
I suppose you went to Chelsea when they got the big money too. If that is your attitude, then ignore what England supporters wnat, because you're not one.
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Old 13-07-2016, 16:37
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Well I'm going to reopen the discussion because I don't agree. I'll support whoever the bloody hell I want.

I couldn't give a shit whether people consider me a "fair weather fan" because I've never particularly been behind England anyway. I consider the Netherlands to be my second home and I've always supported the Dutch, even though they've been utter shite recently. That's sticking with a team through thick and thin.
That's fair enough I suppose, but most England fans will be English, and if those so called fans only want to support the team when things are going well, they should simply shut up, and get on with something else.
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Old 13-07-2016, 16:39
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Well you're not a supporter then, simple as that.

Such polls, and forums etc tend to attract the negative, so no surprises. I know the press, and people like you will slate him whatever he does, because that's what we do.

I prefer to see what happens, then judge, but I still support my team.
I am a supporter for now but not if Sam gets the job.

There can be more than one type of supporter, I'm not someone who will support through thick and thin, totally fed up with the FA, none of them seem to have a clue and just keep making the same mistakes over and over.
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