What a load of rubbish.

The fa just never learn their lessons.

When does his honeymoon period end - after the Scotland game?

i'll be supporting Big Sam ,, i think he will do ok , i think the players will get on with him, i think he will get them motivated and i cant see him being any worse than Woy

What praise, cannot see him worse than Roy hodgson.

It's madness

Will you still be sticking to your self-imposed ban on watching England, Codeblue?

Big Sam has never managed a team that want possession, that want to play with a style, and with top players.

He has zero experience of this.

I think it will be a disaster.

But I will see his team before I decide if it's worth watching, or as I think yet more garbage.

It took forum members 4 years to see what I could in Roy hodgson instantly!

It really didn't, please don't make out you are some kind of visionary. If you complain about everything and change your mind a lot its easy to reference things you can claim to be right about.

Results are all that matter - especially in tournaments, where England have failed disastrously in recent years.

We need a manager who will play to our strengths, and care only about the result. We have the players to win tournaments, but not by playing open, attacking football.

We need to get playing as a team, with an organised and solid formation, where everyone knows their job. Which is just about exactly opposite to how we played in France.

When did we last play good effective football? Whatever Sam is apparently the death of hasn't been working for us in any way.

Happy with the Allardyce appointment when you take into account the other English options.

Codeblue, you are articulate and seem to watch a fair bit of Football but it is very difficult to take you seriously as you just make up so many things that simply aren't true when you try and support your own point.

No it did not.

Most of the stuff what you said was factually incorrect so people disagreed with you.

Which is still the case

England do not need a tactical visionary, they just need someone who can get the team playing in a coherent style.

Whether people like it or not, Allardyce does have a style, and it can be quite effective. It also is a system that will suit players who have less technical ability.

The likes of Dier, Henderson and so on will probably do well in it.

Unless i've missed it i've yet to see who you think should get the job.

It will interesting to hear/read what the answer(s) to that point are, as there really were not that many options, particularly if the person had to be English.

That's one of the many unfortunate consequences of and England debacle is that you get hundreds of thousands of idiots with public platforms claiming they foresaw everything and are seemingly either too thick or too embarrassed to acknowledge that other than saying England wouldn't win they actually got little else right.

We now have all these apparent experts who were complaining of the same old usual players being picked, despite the England squad being the youngest in history and in the tournament and it being won by the oldest squad.

But then you had others complaining Defoe wasn't picked and Rashford was, then complaining when Rooney was picked, then complaining when he was subbed, then when he was dropped and now its back to him being picked again.

Sure, some of them may be right, but its obvious they cannot all be and that half of those have been proven to be completely wrong but England were dreadful, humiliated by Iceland so who's going to successfully argue against them, as they won't argue with each other.

Everybody moaned at six changes and referenced Del Bosque not making any despite being through, but then ignored that that decision may have cost Span the match and then the tournament. Did that prove everybody right? Maybe, maybe not but its much easier to pretend that you're some sort of visionary.

Even now, you take 10 of these critics and they will have 10 completely different suggestions on should Vardy play, or Kane or both, or neither, in a 4-3-3 in a 4-4-2, one behind the other, one on the left or right.

Its the easiest thing in the world to be some knob on Twitter who just moans about absolutely everything, sometimes the very opposite of what you were complaining about the week before and then when it all goes wrong, just remember the criticisms where you were half right and brush aside the others.

They said that England games would be dull and turgid. About 44 of the 48 games were that, including all but 30 minutes of the winners matches. I only enjoyed 3 or 4 games and two were England's.

There were plenty of Hodgson critics who were proved more wrong than right in that tournament.

the person doesnt have to be english

Absolutely correct. Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion and people are fully entitled to dislike either Hodgson and/or Allardyce for valid reasons, where the problems start are with those for whom defeat is welcomed, team selections are attacked and style of play in ridiculed in a desperate attempt to have their crushingly negative position vindicated. When you would actively prefer things going wrong you really need to have a word with yourself IMO!

It looked like that was the road that The FA were going down seeing as Bruce and Big Sam were the last two in the running for the job.

A name perhaps ?

Really?

Surely if the people appointing the role have decided (and by most accounts its seems they have done so or would prefer them to be) that they are going down that route then the person actually does have to be English.

Its like any critia that employers set for a role. Of course it doesnt have to match those set criteria BUT the people making the decisions have set out certain things they are looking for when filling that role and will decided on a shortlist based on their set critia, From the information we have got it seems it does have to be someone English.

I don't know why I find it a bit disconcerting being on the same side of a debate as you but this for me is the vital point. Why on earth have the FA just limited themselves to a short list so incredibly poor in standard. We've just made the footballing equivalent of voting for Brexit. Little insular englanders wanting to turn the clock back 25 years instead of moving forward with the times and playing (or should i say attempting to play) modern football.

This really strikes me as a graham taylor type appointment. Take someone successful at club management playing direct football and wonder why it goes so badly wrong in international football. At least WC2018, should we manage to get there, isn't in a hot country where possession football is vital.

Which foreign managers/head coaches would you have thought that The FA should have targeted, if you think the level of English candidates was not up to scratch?

So anyone want to predict Allardyce's first eleven? I mean his first eleven and not your own preferred option. Luckily Kevin Nolan is past it. But will he most likely pick a big target man, so no Vardy, and if so will it be Carroll and not Kane. Which 2 players will be the wide one in this 4-3-3/4-5-1 formation he usually prefers? I guess they won't be strikers, so no sturrdige, but athletes that work back - Welbeck and Townsend? Be amazed if he goes youth with Rashford or small blokes like Walcott or Sterling (when he regains form). Two proper centre mids who are more solid than passers - Mark Noble and Henderson? Deli Alli to get the attacking midfield role seeing Kevin Nolan is even more past it than when allardyce used to have him as the first name on teamsheet? Jagielka and Cahill centre halves? Or any strong straightforward 7 out of 10 types. Definitely no John Stones and probably too many errors in Smalling to stick with him and get him to improve?

Think i can see a WC wining team there, not too young, not too flash or fancy. Or perhaps not.

milner, henderson, defoe, carroll, rooney, hart

id also imagine luke shaw

Really not wishing to go over old ground but Hiddink worked wonders getting South Korea to WC semis in 2002, Australia through group stage to last 16 in WC 2006 and Russia to qualify for Euro 2008 with Croatia from Englands group.

Klinsmann seemed rather good developing a young German team ready for WC2006, although how much was him and how much was Low, his assistant at the time.

And Laurent Blanc who did well with France 2010-12 and who is one of many capable and knowledgeable european club managers almost certainly available for the vast money the FA seem to want to pay.

Either way, a vey long list of much more capable, technically smart and modern managers before you start getting to the likes of Allardyce, Bruce, Pardew and Pulis